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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by ajross »

throwawaytea wrote: post #82
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.

> One infringes on a specific constitutional right.

The ability to develop and use technological products is, y'know, kinda protected speech under the first amendment.

Congress shall make no law... unless you're talking about stuff we think is dangerous; in that case foreigners can't say it and you can't tell them.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by Art9681 »

vrganj wrote: post #84
Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

It's the AWS CEO being a little snitch to gain favor from the Government. That is what this is about.

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Post by [deleted] »

deadbabe wrote: post #181
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by dylan604 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #51
rocketpastsix wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.

Caring with no significant action in prevention doesn’t really signal caring. Sure, it sucks, headlines get printed for a couple of months, then people forget and move on. To put it in the most disrespectful and sad way, it looks like more people have been on the streets for Knicks games than most (any?) school shootings of the past decades.

I think your assumption of lack of caring is misplaced. The citizens clearly care, but have no power to do anything about it. Those in power are the ones that do not care or are paid not to care.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by baq »

logicchains wrote: post #87
petra wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends what the end goal may be. If the end goal is that only regulated US companies can use Fable, that is a pretty good outcome for Amazon, and also for Jeff Bezos's new startup which aims to use AI to monopolize large industries that depend on advanced engineering in the physical world.

>If the end goal is that only regulated US companies can use Fable, that is a pretty good outcome for Amazon It's a terrible outcome for Amazon because it destroys Anthropic's revenue. Roughly half of Anthropic's customers are foreigners, and they wouldn't use Anthropic if its next generation model was banned while other providers' next generation models aren't. And if the US follows through and bans all Mythos-level…

Immediate revenue impact is basically 0 - nobody cancels their Claude sub because Fable isn’t why they got it in the first place (by nobody I mean like 1% of total users and they’re likely net neutral tokenmaxxers for revenue).

Signal to OpenAI and Google is clear: can’t release too smart models or they get controlled. It follows there is no danger to revenue since other providers are forced to plateau at the same level.

…which puts the whole train the next model business idea a risky proposition since the training can’t ever pay for itself - but USG really wants you to keep training, so guess what happens?

Oh and re China - if you think they’ll release an open Mythos-class model, I have a bridge to sell.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by terabytest »

graphime wrote: post #42
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.

I recommend revisiting this comment when you have a son or daughter.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by morkalork »

newsclues wrote: post #155
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

Canada had a school shooter that used ai tools and the public has not been informed of what happened in the chat

It's OK tho, Sam personally apologized for that oopsie.

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Post by [deleted] »

DivingForGold wrote: post #152
mindslight wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While there is some truth here, it's worth noting that firearms are far from a deterrent - these days, many criminals are often enraged by a victim having a gun and end up escalating further. Earlier this year there was a gang execution in Minneapolis that was prominent national news. The thugs were probably just going to kick the shit out of the victim, but when they discovered he merely had a gun, they took it from…

If the homeowners had a shotgun it would have been over quickly. Shotguns don't miss.

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by Art9681 »

mijoharas wrote: post #160
cmiles8 wrote: post #93

It’s unclear what Jassy’s angle was here doing this. It’s pretty bad news for Anthropic though. They had built up some real momentum but am waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a…

> waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. Why would anyone switch yet? They have the same models they did four days ago. Do you mean ensuring they can switch quickly, or putting in place systems to be able to shift their traffic more easily?

Because this proves you can't build a reliable business on top of American frontier providers. They really shot themselves in the foot here. There is a lot of eroded trust. Legit business has very little incentive going forward building a great product on top of OpenAI, Anthropic or Google API's when there is legitimate fear those providers will downgrade their services or the US Gov will step in and mandate bans on it.

The #1 rule of a service is reliability. If you don't have that then you dont have anything. Who is going to gamble thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars building the next big thing on top of a frontier provider when their lifeline can be yanked?

This is the type of decision that pops the AI bubble. They have very little time to figure this shit out before companies pivot away from the failed experiment.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by ElFitz »

icandoit wrote: post #187
nish__ wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't matter if they're not publicly traded.

We could sell options on their future incomes, or taxes. An idea worth exploring. How can we encourage investment in future generations?

Isn't that what we call public debt?
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