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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by jandrewrogers »

garbagewoman wrote: post #176
jandrewrogers wrote: post #164

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Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

What a trivial thing to be “eternally baffled” by

It is likely a textbook case of the paradox seen in many domains where humans take extra safety precautions as a license to be reckless such that it creates more damage than if the extra safety precautions were never taken.

How do you explain the contradiction of people who go through the pretense of protecting their phone then engaging in behavior that somehow smashes it regularly in a way that demonstrably cannot be explained by normal usage? There is an entire population of no-case-enjoyers who don't smash their phones despite the lack of extra protection.

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Post by rkomorn »

randerson wrote: post #190
jandrewrogers wrote: post #183

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That is not relevant to the question of how people constantly break something that isn't particularly breakable. If they cared about the cost of the phone, I would expect them to demonstrate slightly less wanton disregard for it such that they routinely smash it. I also know plenty of people that regularly break their phones even with a case. At some point, you have to conclude people don't actually care if they smas…

You must have excellent coordination. Others, like me, are clumsy. Its certainly not wanton disregard that results in me dropping my phone. It just feels like it slides out of my hands sometimes.

I'd have to live my life in an unsustainable state of vigilance and care to not drop things.

Heck, even when I think I'm being careful (eg carrying a very full mug or glass), I'm liable to focus on what I'm doing to the point of messing it all up due to lack of awareness (eg keeping my glass nice and still until I bump my elbow into the door frame and spill some of my drink).

It also does not seem to be improving wit age.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by jandrewrogers »

randerson wrote: post #190
jandrewrogers wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not relevant to the question of how people constantly break something that isn't particularly breakable. If they cared about the cost of the phone, I would expect them to demonstrate slightly less wanton disregard for it such that they routinely smash it. I also know plenty of people that regularly break their phones even with a case. At some point, you have to conclude people don't actually care if they smas…

You must have excellent coordination. Others, like me, are clumsy. Its certainly not wanton disregard that results in me dropping my phone. It just feels like it slides out of my hands sometimes.

I drop my phone occasionally. I don't think there is much evidence that I am uniquely non-clumsy. Phones aren't that fragile, particularly these days.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #187
DrammBA wrote: post #174

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> I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. > I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. Have you considered that for other people phones are a significant financial investment?

That isn't explanatory. If they cared about the financial investment then they wouldn't be regularly smashing their phones in the first place because it is clearly possible to do without a case. It is a side effect of behavior.

Not always. Sometimes pockets aren’t deep enough, sometimes chairs are too low so that your pockets are angled downwards. As with anything in life it’s rather foolish to think you can control everything, so you add preventative measures on top of active avoidance.

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Post by rootusrootus »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #193
randerson wrote: post #190

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You must have excellent coordination. Others, like me, are clumsy. Its certainly not wanton disregard that results in me dropping my phone. It just feels like it slides out of my hands sometimes.

I drop my phone occasionally. I don't think there is much evidence that I am uniquely non-clumsy. Phones aren't that fragile, particularly these days.

Some of it may be differences in skin. I have fairly dry skin and an aluminum phone is slippery as hell. I put mine in a case not for protection from drops - I almost never drop it - but to prevent those drops by giving me a little grip. YMMV

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Post by rootusrootus »

nomel wrote: post #121
IlikeMadison wrote: post #104

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Wrong. The vast majority of Apple fans don't care about Android. I never see "Apple fans" going in threads about random Android stuff and talking about it. On the opposite, I see a lot of Android users complain and talk in every single videos regarding anything Apple on YouTube.

It extends beyond videos. I have a friend that works at Apple. In social gatherings, he'll be vague about where he works, to avoid having to hear people defending their Android phones and shitting on Apple. I thought he was exaggerating, but then he showed me. It's super weird. Tribalism is a hell of a drug.

It feels like a manifestation of inferiority complex.

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Post by late2part »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #183
artursapek wrote: post #170

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For a lot of people, a phone is a major purchase. Why not throw a $30 case on to protect the $1000 device?

That is not relevant to the question of how people constantly break something that isn't particularly breakable. If they cared about the cost of the phone, I would expect them to demonstrate slightly less wanton disregard for it such that they routinely smash it. I also know plenty of people that regularly break their phones even with a case. At some point, you have to conclude people don't actually care if they smas…

Saying it's baffling is not explanatory. And whilst you say a lot you have failed to cursorsily discuss mitigating effects of insurance.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by rootusrootus »

jrowen wrote: post #43
orev wrote: post #36

Which most people are going to immediately cover with an insulating layer of plastic or silicone. At least the heat will be spread out from one spot (and into the battery?). All phone makers are doing what they can within the design constraints.

Why have none of the major players tried integrating a case? Making a ruggedized version? They could probably do a lot better and find ways to innovate with something integrated. Why do they ignore the fact that so many people use cases (and the market opportunity)? It's almost a defect at this point. Some people like the personalization but I think a lot of people just want something that won't break when you drop i…

I’ve had phones before that rugged enough to not want a case. It’s great, I wish there were good options like that today. But I think I prefer a separate case. When mine gets enough wear and tear, I replace it and it feels like I have a whole new phone.

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Post by happyopossum »

jorvi wrote: post #169
tw04 wrote: post #146

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> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

> Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete are undefeated. But they are defeated. By plastics, no bumper required. This is why the Nokia Windows phones felt so indestructible, polycarbonate is an amazing material for a phone body.

Plenty of plastic phone have been broken - I dropped and broke plastic blackberries, Nokias, and startacs.
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