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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by bdangubic »

tw04 wrote: post #146
cj wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

I would rather wax my entire body than put a case on the phone

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

jeroenhd wrote: post #98
lejohnq wrote: post #76

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I’ve been caseless for a while and have had a couple of drops and the phone has been fine. When I eventually upgrade my phone, I’ll probably stay caseless, or add minimal protection. Mainly cause if the increasingly rare catastrophic drop happens, it’d be unpleasant to deal with. I do like some cases for their design elements, I might use one to just further personalize my phone.

I don't know what it is about iPhones but I find them to get damage/chips/scratches super easy compared to the Android phones I've used. Maybe the new phones are better, but I was quite disappointed when I noticed how easy the paint came off. What's the point of a pretty phone if you're gonna need me to put a case around it?

Your phone was painted?

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by jandrewrogers »

artursapek wrote: post #170
jandrewrogers wrote: post #164

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Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

For a lot of people, a phone is a major purchase. Why not throw a $30 case on to protect the $1000 device?

That is not relevant to the question of how people constantly break something that isn't particularly breakable. If they cared about the cost of the phone, I would expect them to demonstrate slightly less wanton disregard for it such that they routinely smash it. I also know plenty of people that regularly break their phones even with a case.

At some point, you have to conclude people don't actually care if they smash their phone based on how frequently they do it.

As I said, it's baffling.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

cassianoleal wrote: post #52
cj wrote: post #49

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> How do you propose making a device that people wouldn't feel the need to put a case on? If the screen were reasonably scratch + shatter proof, I think most people wouldn't feel the need to wear a case.

I don't use a case or screen protectors. My 15 Pro frequently falls on the floor. The back shattered on multiple occasions, but even then never became a cut hazard. The screen remains pristine.

Did you know there are cases that will prevent that damage and avoid the massive carbon footprint associated with the repairs you were fortunate enough to get?

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

christophilus wrote: post #68
cj wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

I haven’t used a case in at least a decade. Why do you think it’s necessary?

Cases are great at protecting phones. Have you heard of them?

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by monster_truck »

They must be struggling to hit their perf/w targets if this ended up being necessary.

These phones are not going to age well, the paste or thermal pads is not going to last. Larger sheets of graphene for full size processors and gpus are good for a decade, at this size it'll be lucky to get to 5.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by jandrewrogers »

DrammBA wrote: post #174
jandrewrogers wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

> I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. > I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. Have you considered that for other people phones are a significant financial investment?

That isn't explanatory. If they cared about the financial investment then they wouldn't be regularly smashing their phones in the first place because it is clearly possible to do without a case. It is a side effect of behavior.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by wlesieutre »

garbagewoman wrote: post #178
selectodude wrote: post #133

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My case is AppleCare+.

That seems wasteful

$120/year on an iPhone 17, or $140/year on Air, Pro, and Pro Max

Even for one year that's more than I'd spend to avoid using a phone case, and if I keep it for five years again that's $700.

There are other benefits to AppleCare (a case doesn't cover theft or loss) but I'm not very worried about any of them.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by aarreedd »

tw04 wrote: post #146
cj wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

Good point but those are called fenders. Buoys are some else.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by randerson »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #183
artursapek wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a lot of people, a phone is a major purchase. Why not throw a $30 case on to protect the $1000 device?

That is not relevant to the question of how people constantly break something that isn't particularly breakable. If they cared about the cost of the phone, I would expect them to demonstrate slightly less wanton disregard for it such that they routinely smash it. I also know plenty of people that regularly break their phones even with a case. At some point, you have to conclude people don't actually care if they smas…

You must have excellent coordination. Others, like me, are clumsy. Its certainly not wanton disregard that results in me dropping my phone. It just feels like it slides out of my hands sometimes.
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