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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by reaperducer »

lysace wrote: post #22
fooqux wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: how is the thinness providing value? Is it simply the feel?

Back when I had the iPhone 5S (7.6 mm vs the 5.6 mm of the iPhone 17 Air): It provided value in terms of feel. It felt like a piece of art meeting cutting edge technology. It wasn't about showing off. It was also so light that it felt safe to use it without a protective case. And not that expensive.

Nothing feels better than the original iPhone.

Solid, tactile, and just the right size. Mine finally got stuck in a boot loop earlier this year, but I keep it in my desk drawer, and pick it up occasionally. The mute switch (an actual switch, not a button) is still the best.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by cj »

Wistar wrote: post #3

Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?"

I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height.

I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only possible because Apple is assuming the average person will have a case on their phone.

I wouldn't be surprised if the typical consumer would be more impressed by "No Case Required iPhone" compared to "Skinniest and lightest iPhone yet!".

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by numpad0 »

0_____0 wrote: post #16

This is a heat pipe. A technology from the 60s. Your laptop almost certainly has heat pipes in it. They usually use alcohol rather than water as the phase change material though. The (relatively) novel thing is that it's packaged small enough to be in a phone. I suspect the only reason it hasn't been used in handhelds more is because the TDP of mobile processors wasn't high enough to warrant it.

Also on some Android gaming phones since 2018. Regular heat pipes on phones dates back to at least 2013.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

cj wrote: post #32
Wistar wrote: post #3

Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

> I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?

…you don’t. I don’t. My phone is scratched here and there, but not in a way that I notice. I used to defend this with my purchasing of insurance, but frankly, I crack the screen now maybe once every 2+ years.

> Apple is assuming the average person will have a case on their phone

I think it is fair to assume that irrespective of the design, most people will case their phones. Leaning into that is fine as long as the phone is still functional without a case. (Which, again, every iPhone in the last decade has been.)

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by orev »

Which most people are going to immediately cover with an insulating layer of plastic or silicone.

At least the heat will be spread out from one spot (and into the battery?). All phone makers are doing what they can within the design constraints.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bigyabai wrote: post #26
lysace wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, state actors will be able to breach into your iOS device if you're deemed important enough. Edit: Meanwhile your average Android device has multiple publicly known remote execution issues.

Yup. Pretty similar to the modern threat profile of Android, all things considered. > your average Android device has multiple publicly known remote execution issues. Help me distinguish between "publicly known" RCE vulns and private ones. Do the privately owned exploits like FORCEDENTRY count as "publicly known", or only the Greykey/Cellebrite exploits used by governments?

> Pretty similar to the modern threat profile of Android, all things considered

I don’t think this is accurate. Not even every nation-state would be expected to have access to iPhone zero days, particularly with the new memory protection rolling out.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by Aerbil313 »

lysace wrote: post #25
bigyabai wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think NSO Group has pretty thoroughly demonstrated that iOS users aren't exonerated from security concerns.

Yes, state actors will be able to breach into your iOS device if you're deemed important enough. Edit: Meanwhile your average Android device has multiple publicly known remote execution issues.

With iPhone 17 line the security situation has improved dramatically. I'm not a cybersecurity researcher, but Apple says even nation-state actors will struggle to breach a single device with the newly introduced Memory Integrity Enforcement mechanism. Their research appears legit:

https://security.apple.com/blog/memory-integrity-enforcement...

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

VertanaNinjai wrote: post #28
Wistar wrote: post #3

Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt

This might be the first time I’ve seen someone happy about an advertisement in the wild. It is a cool video though!

The ads for ReMarkable 2 and Apple’s Don’t Blink are quite captivating and entertaining in a way that I can’t claim about typical advertising.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by nicce »

orev wrote: post #34
amelius wrote: post #10

Why the emphasis on Apple when Samsung was there first? It looks like the competition is making them sweat (pun intended).

Literally in the subheading: > Apple joins Samsung and Google in managing heat

Usually it is sign for stability and usefulness if Apple adapts it. They rarely add something very new for mass production.
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