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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by MrVandemar »

hattmall wrote: post #159
mothballed wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US could/can, they're just not willing to undergo the mass casualties it would take to put boots on the ground and put those boots up the ass of the people controlling Hormuz. Which absolutely cannot be achieved purely by air.

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> last major source of instability in the region.

Are you forgetting the bad neighbor that keeps attacking most of its other neighbors, even while under ceasefire agreements? And then moving onto the land and saying "this is ours, time to redraw the border again.".

Because that, to me, screams instability.

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Post by hattmall »

idiotsecant wrote: post #137
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #94

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How many million graduate students do you need to give the US the military hegemony and political influence over allies and adversaries that the F-35 program provides ? Looked at from a policy maker's viewpoint, things look very different.

Does the F35 do that? Wasn't Iran shooting those down recently? If there's anything Iran has taught us it's that airpower doesn't win wars, allies do. The US will leave the middle east with their tail between their legs. This is the beginning of the end of the American Empire. For the privilege of spending enormous sums of treasure flying around dropping bombs on brown people what did we get? I would have rather seen…

I'm sorry, but this is like the most ignorant take ever. The world is essentially one life supported regime away from having a level of stability in the middle east that has quite literally never been achieved. Iran and their regional proxies have been almost the only source of middle eastern discontent in the last two decades. The stability of the region is already vastly improved from any time in the past and the dismantling of the IRGC will create a wave of vastly improved living conditions for hundreds of millions of people.

Iraq has for the first time ever entered in the high category of HDI.

https://www.undp.org/arab-states/press-releases/iraqs-human-...

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by kyrra »

throwawaycan wrote: post #120
efitz wrote: post #108

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Ah! Both siding science.

A point that can be made is that just throwing money at something that doesn't produce meaningful results can be good to cut. having a bunch of data for data sake doesn't make it useful.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #82
kombine wrote: post #17

Let's not forget those from the big tech (you know the names) who kneeled before the king.

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> the senile grandpa was awakened and paraded around when it was strictly necessary, but for the most part, it was lunatics running the asylum

Unfortunately now we have both.

> just look at this for example https://xcancel.com/USDOL/status/1795879796599111997 and try to imagine the kind of people who wrote and/or approved that message.

What exactly is your problem with it? "just look at this" while pointing to a normal tweet doesn't exactly convey a point.

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Post by mindslight »

mothballed wrote: post #163
mindslight wrote: post #136

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Un-centrally-captureable value that remains distributed is very much economic value. You seem to be falling for the efficient market fallacy.

If it's actually usable economically then the government will partially recover (capture value) it via taxation. If US suppliers fail to match the predicted effects, then Chinese or other suppliers can. This yields tax receipts in China and elsewhere. So if it's actually 'distributable' then it is worth at least some non-zero capturable amount as sales to foreign governments if the US government will not be participa…

It seems you're still assuming market efficiency, but just focusing on governments as the actors.

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Post by beej71 »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #82
kombine wrote: post #17

Let's not forget those from the big tech (you know the names) who kneeled before the king.

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Clown show antics!

* Using the FCC to control the press

* Arresting American citizens because of their brown skin

* Talking about menstruation

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by MrVandemar »

tehjoker wrote: post #174
zmgsabst wrote: post #168

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I’m sure this has nothing to do with 3.1 million graduate students versus 500 F-35s. For actual context, F-35 program receives $9B per year (amortized over lifetime), which is $3000 per year per graduate student. Erasing the F-35 program entirely would make something like a 10% difference in graduate wages, while destroying the US Air Force as a modern military. So no — your request to fund graduate students is more…

Ok, but the military is being used for bad things not good things in one of the most easily defended countries in the world, a pure waste.

> military is being used for bad things

Seems that sending a bunch of people with guns/bombs/etc to another country is almost always bad.

The military doing good things like ... um ... helping out during natural disasters or genuine peacekeeping is entirely a rare thing.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

kyrra wrote: post #183
throwawaycan wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah! Both siding science.

A point that can be made is that just throwing money at something that doesn't produce meaningful results can be good to cut. having a bunch of data for data sake doesn't make it useful.

in order for that point to be made, there would first need to be a convincing case made that this thing doesn't produce meaningful results

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Post by esikich »

hattmall wrote: post #162
erickhill wrote: post #118

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Wouldn't take very many at all, we've now learned these past four years (and even the past 2 months). All you need are drones, that are pennies on the dollar cheaper than trillion-dollar militaries. Depending on the munition, a single bomb we drop on Iran could cost between $40,000 and a couple million dollars. Think of all the high-end drones you could buy instead. Everything is changing. Including our influence.

That isn't really accurate, small drones are enough to antagonize regional neighbors. They are far from being able to project influence, stabilize international trade, or even remotely protect a territory from an enemy that isn't concerned with civilian casualties.

How not? Precision kills with 0 warning. You can just bring one on a plane to whatever country and have the thing charge with solar/powerlines until your target is getting coffee outside on a nice day. Or whatever.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by x-complexity »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #129
efitz wrote: post #108

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https://archive.is/fZ9CN > Michael England, a spokesman for the National Science Foundation, said the decision to dismantle the network, known as the Ocean Observatories Initiative, “aligns with N.S.F.’s wider strategy to have a nimbler approach to prioritizing support for evolving scientific priorities and emerging technologies as well as a deliberate approach to smart life cycle management within its portfolio of r…

> 1) it's not hard to do your own research. If you're here, I assume you know how.

Assume the opposite direction. If you don't bring the data, then you're not doing your part to convince others on your position. Assumption of "default data" is a significant contributor in the breakdown of communications.

> 2) does that answer satisfy you?

No, in fact it leaves open more questions than before. From the article provided (https://archive.is/fZ9CN):

>> The $48 million annual budget for the observation network was small compared with the value of the data it collected for understanding the oceans and the climate, Dr. McLean said.

- Why didn't aligned charities step in to plug the gap? Billions flow through charities each year, and yet none have stepped in? One or 2 stepping in and still not being able to plug the gap, I can accept. None at all?

- If the data is that important, then there should be multiple efforts in collecting it, not just one. Why did everything get lumped into a single basket?

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