Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

Post by fleebee » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 12:50 PM UTC

energy123 wrote: post #34

epistasis wrote: post #6

I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

Google and OpenAI have done similar things with their LLM offerings. Gemini Advanced offered 2.5 Pro with nearly unlimited rate limits, then nerfed it to 100/day. OpenAI silently nerfed the maximum context window of reasoning models in their Pro plan. Accompanying the nerf is usually a psy op, like nerfing to 50/day then increasing it to 100/day so the anchoring effect reduces the grievance. It's a smart ploy because…

Post by senko » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 12:52 PM UTC

redhale wrote: post #146

cedws wrote: post #111

There’s only one way unlimited plans work: either the seller gets scammed, or the buyer does. When companies sell unlimited plans, they’re making a bet that the average usage across all of those plans will be low enough to turn a profit. These people “abusing” the plan are well within their right to use the API as much as they want. It just didn’t fall into the parameters Anthropic had expected. LLM subscriptions nee…

Nothing is stopping you from using the API directly, if you prefer to donate more money to Anthropic. I would not personally, as I can't spend thousands per month on an agentic tool. I hope they figure out limits that work. $100 / $200 is still a great deal. And the predictability means my company will pay for it.

Post by Waterluvian » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 12:53 PM UTC

pnvdr wrote: post #28

Waterluvian wrote: post #15

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My credit card web portal has a section for reversing transactions without having to call anyone. Maybe yours does too?

nice feature. so its like backcharge via app instead of calling credit card customer care. do you mind sharing the credit card company

Post by 486sx33 » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 12:55 PM UTC

fleebee wrote: post #181

energy123 wrote: post #34

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Google and OpenAI have done similar things with their LLM offerings. Gemini Advanced offered 2.5 Pro with nearly unlimited rate limits, then nerfed it to 100/day. OpenAI silently nerfed the maximum context window of reasoning models in their Pro plan. Accompanying the nerf is usually a psy op, like nerfing to 50/day then increasing it to 100/day so the anchoring effect reduces the grievance. It's a smart ploy because…

I don't even want to imagine how bad it will get if a legitimate moat does surface and users get entrenched ever deeper into the ecosystem of a single provider. A lot of the companies in this space have a track record of squeezing as much value out of their customers as they can get away with.

Post by oblio » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 12:56 PM UTC

n4r9 wrote: post #84

aeon_ai wrote: post #69

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AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for. Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable , those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those…

This may not be the strong argument you think it is. There are plenty of highly productive senior developers who either don't use IDEs or SO or use them very minimally. Even version control, if they're working alone. Smart devs will find out how to be virtually as productive in a terminal as they would be with an IDE. Potentially more productive when solving edge case issues with processes that IDEs abstract