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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by atonse »

conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

I disagree. While there are developers that truly build new technology and invent novel solutions, the overwhelming majority of developers who are paid for their work daily do pretty mundane and boring software development. They are implementing business logic, building forms, building tables, etc.

And AI already excels at building those sorts of things faster and with cleaner code. I’ve never once seen a model generate code that’s as ugly and unreadable as a lot of the low quality code I’ve seen in my career (especially from Salesforce “devs” for example)

And even the ones that do the more creative problem solving can benefit from AI agents helping with research, documentation, data migration scripts, etc.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by raverbashing »

dcminter wrote: post #39
TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

One does find it occasionally. My mobile phone plan (in Sweden) currently says that I have 774G left of my 25G/month quota for example :)

Still limited. But "unlimited" to most people

In the same way your next-door supermarket has effectively "infinite soup cans" for the needs of most people.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by thimabi »

TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

Things would be much easier if, instead of “unlimited”, companies simply offered great usage limits. Yes, hoarders would still exist, but their impact would be negligible.

Even better: provide a counter displaying both remaining usage available and the quota reset time.

But companies probably earn so much money from the vast majority of users that having good and clear limits would only empower them to actually benefit as much from the product as they can.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

A surprisingly large number of musicians do use things like written music (a medieval invention, but came into its own in the renaissance) or amplifiers (a modern one).

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by jennyholzer »

conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by superasn »

I'm not a fan of usage caps either, but that Reddit post [1] (“You deserve harsh limits”) does highlight a perspective worth considering.

When some users burn massive amounts of compute just to climb leaderboards or farm karma, it’s not hard to imagine why providers might respond with tighter limits—not because it's ideal, but because that kind of behavior makes platforms harder to sustain and less accessible for everyone else. Because on the other hand a lot of genuine customers are canceling because they get API overload message after paying $200.

I still think caps are frustrating and often too blunt, but posts like that make it easier to see where the pressure might be coming from.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1lqrbnc/you_deser...

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by jennyholzer »

conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by aeon_ai »

conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for.

Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable, those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those who can architect solutions across larger possibility spaces on smaller teams.

Will it be used for absolutely every problem? No - There are clearly places where humans are needed.

But rejecting the enormous impact this will have on the workforce is trading hype goggles for a bucket of sand.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by johnisgood »

dcminter wrote: post #39
TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

One does find it occasionally. My mobile phone plan (in Sweden) currently says that I have 774G left of my 25G/month quota for example :)

So it accumulates for you? That is nice. I wish my unused quota would go into the next month, but it resets. :(
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