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Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#181

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

I avoid all of what you mentioned like the plauge.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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post #169

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It's only weird if you learn Illustrator first. For me it was extremely intuitive, and at this point the shortcuts are muscle memory. I taught it to 10 year olds for 3 years.

But... you want people to use the software you make as a developer, I assume? In the same way that Blender provides an input mode for Maya users, Inkscape could provide input modes for Illustrator users. FOSS is supposed to serve people, if your system can easily accommodate that, I see absolutely no reason not to other than some ideological desire to be different. If someone that has been using Illustrator for years…

Just downloaded 1.2 for testing, and the setup/splashscreen has a "Keyboard" select with "Adobe illustrator" option.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#183

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Sorry your use case isn't being met, but it's hardly the point of inkscape to become a saas. The typical use is, "I need to draw something on my PC."

Yep, exactly. It's absolutely insane we've now reached for a point where when people see a standalone, working, polished piece of software that respects your freedom, they somehow feel that it is "inferior" because it doesn't take away your rights. I, for one, am glad that Free/Libre software like inkscape continues to be heading strong, and find that it far outpaces any of the proprietary malware SAAS applications o…

It's not insane. People want to know whether free software package X is a good alternative to the proprietary version. If it isn't, the fact that it's "good enough on its merits" is irrelevant. If they don't think proprietary software is intrinsically evil, then the free/proprietary distinction is irrelevant to them too.

In what way do you find Inkscape to outpace e.g. Figma? That would be interesting to hear.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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I rather have a toilet than saving two clicks. —- real-time collab is not exclusive to webapps.

Do you use source control or do you email zips with the source files between you and the other developers? The collaboration here is exactly the same as that distinction in workflows. It's obviously not just "two clicks", it's "Text copy 2 final final alt reviewed.doc" and then you get a new person email their suggested updates to you as "Text copy 2 final 2.doc" and you have to somehow merge those suggestions in wit…

Actually desktip Word has realtime collaboration these days, although getting it to work can be challenging

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#185
post #169

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It's only weird if you learn Illustrator first. For me it was extremely intuitive, and at this point the shortcuts are muscle memory. I taught it to 10 year olds for 3 years.

But... you want people to use the software you make as a developer, I assume? In the same way that Blender provides an input mode for Maya users, Inkscape could provide input modes for Illustrator users. FOSS is supposed to serve people, if your system can easily accommodate that, I see absolutely no reason not to other than some ideological desire to be different. If someone that has been using Illustrator for years…

There's a keyboard shortcut configuration for Illustrator users. Modifiers too, I hear the difference between ctrl and shift really hurts moving between programs.

Not a problem since 1.1

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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> If I look at the horrible experience, which is Google docs or MS Office 365, especially their word processing parts, they lack behind soooo much compared to a tool like Libreoffice. You cannot even properly use styles… As a reasonably serious user of Office 365 and someone who's desperately wanted to like LibreOffice, I'm not sure what you could mean by "properly use styles". I'm guessing this is specifically a cri…

Libre office is pretty much the only game in town on Linux. Well excepting the web based office suites. I really like it, especially for csv files which it works great for.

There is also OnlyOffice: https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE which I have not personally tried yet.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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post #144

Amazing, just two days ago I was searching for a polar arrangement tool in Inkscape. FOSS tools are often worse from a UI/UX perspective, sure, but I contend that they usually provide something consumer commercial tools often don't: respect for users. I'm not necessarily talking about welcoming communities here - respect can take the form of, say, not engaging in hostilities like: - The sword of Damocles that is rent…

All very good points and I don’t disagree with you. For me the issue is that FOSS is not a good model for generating the massive investment of resources needed to solve many problems. Inkscape is great and if your problem space happens to be adequately addressed by it then fine. It’s not anywhere close to addressing many of the use cases solved by proprietary DTP though and the pace of development is glacial. So I ap…

> If someone wants to charge money for their software, and I think it’s worth it, I’ll pay for it

1. No, you won't. Unless you think almost no software is worth it, or you're a billionaire. And most people don't have the money to be any of the software they would find useful (e.g. an office suite, an operating system).

2. The issue isn't whether you would pay for it or not. The issue - well, the issue for me anyway - is whether it is legitimate for the state to police the population to the extent of preventing the sharing of information, including software. I would say 'no'.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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> salty I don't think that means what you think it means.

A bit like the meta discussion, salty is current term in society unlike GIMP and Inkscape UI. I have a concrete questions: Why can’t a lot of FOSS projects try and distill what is good about modern UI or ideas instead of looking like a program from 10 years ago. What is the obstruction in the community getting people to work on this? Hostile power user attitudes? Simultaneously if free software advocates want it to b…

The problem is foxes, Inkscape does try and distil what is good about modern UI. The critique doesn't fit because it ignores the very real and material efforts in Inkscape's UX team to do exactly what you are saying.

And the improvements in this release reflect a lot of that work.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#189
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gsheets is hilariously slow compared to excel, once you start getting into larger files.

Gsheets offers some formulas I found quite useful and would be a pain to replicate in Excel.

excel is fully programmable with vba.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#190

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gsheets is hilariously slow compared to excel, once you start getting into larger files.

gsheets lets me collaborate with others in real-time and share with others very easily. When you think about “performance”, you have to consider more than just the immediate steps taken while in the application. If you think about the entire end-to-end experience, gdrive is so much faster and seamless.

office 365 offers "co-authoring" and easy sharing as well. You're talking about something excel already has.

But working on large files is ridiculously painful. It's just not as as good as a native app. I don't want to give up my ability to work on large files in a performant fashion, which I do all the time, in exchange for collaboration support I do occasionally but a worse overall experience and frustrating lag compared to a native application.

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