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Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #24
Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

Hm, I don't think online tools are that far ahead. If I look at the horrible experience, which is Google docs or MS Office 365, especially their word processing parts, they lack behind soooo much compared to a tool like Libreoffice. You cannot even properly use styles and, if I got a few $currency for every silly bug I encountered in those online half-assed tools, I would probably work half time only. If that experie…

Hey now it’s unfair to limit this to just their online verions. I have reproducible word bugs that date back to word 2007.

Microsoft in my opinion is a company that writes good core logic followed by trainwreck UI/UX teams only eclipsed in their destructive cabability by the user hostile marketing and profit department who keep trying to get me to do stuff like upload sensitive documents to OneDrive through some absolutely intended bad UI, or default to the most expensive resource selection in Azure every time you hit the back button on their forms.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by shp0ngle »

foxes wrote: post #36
zelphirkalt wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, I don't think online tools are that far ahead. If I look at the horrible experience, which is Google docs or MS Office 365, especially their word processing parts, they lack behind soooo much compared to a tool like Libreoffice. You cannot even properly use styles and, if I got a few $currency for every silly bug I encountered in those online half-assed tools, I would probably work half time only. If that experie…

In contrast to your anecdote, I have never had issues with Google docs. It has always just worked, reasonably clean interface. I'm not sure what elaborate styling you need, but it seems serviceable for when you need a basic document which I imagine is most peoples use case. Also the collaboration is actually very useful. The same reason I use overleaf as an interface for a lot of my LaTeX projects. I can quickly shar…

Google Docs cannot even add custom styles. And if you open word file with custom styles, it just… removes all of them.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by easrng »

redox99 wrote: post #70
Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

I don't agree that this thing about moving to the browser is currently relevant outside of the drawing software like figma and equivalents. I don't see NLE, 3D suites, DAWs and many more moving anytime soon to the browser. Maybe photo editors like photoshop? But even that isn't there yet. And to be honest the only FOSS content creation software that actually competes at the professional level (i.e not just simple edi…

I would still use inkscape, it's way faster and lighter and though it crashes sometimes, it doesn't corrupt files like Illustrator. It also has (IMO) a simpler interface that's somewhat more discoverable than Illustrator but not by much.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by BeetleB »

funstuff007 wrote: post #54
BeetleB wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Good employees find ways to collaborate no matter what. The majority are not good employees. Good employees can collaborate well with LaTeX as well. Yet over 99% of workplaces will not use LaTeX.

Of course, if an employee is crummy, you'd want to silo their work product so it did not infect the rest of the org.

The point is that few workplaces have a majority of employees that are "good enough" to find ways to collaborate with Inkscape. If even a third of them cannot find a way to do so, you're stuck, and siloing your/their work is not an option. No decent manager would accept that merely because you insist on using Inkscape.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by BeetleB »

efortis wrote: post #55
BeetleB wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Good employees find ways to collaborate no matter what. The majority are not good employees. Good employees can collaborate well with LaTeX as well. Yet over 99% of workplaces will not use LaTeX.

Knowing LaTeX doesn't make you a good employee.

Knowing how to collaborate well with LaTeX makes you about as "good" an employee as knowing how to collaborate well with Inkscape.

The point is that even in places where about half the employees know how to collaborate with these tools, it is not done because you need the other employees to function.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by foxes »

dotnet00 wrote: post #66
foxes wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be salty if you want but the majority of the word has moved on from archaic desktop apps.

Generally these 'archaic' desktop apps have much better UIs than all the flat mobile-focused UIs that are popular these days with their oodles of wasted screen space, messy menus and unnecessary extra clicks needed for basic operations.

You said it yourself, the web apps popular.

Why do you think that is? What makes them popular?

Figma, canva etc are all really popular. Google docs is popular. They are all easy to use. For basic tasks we really dont need a huge expanse of menus and options all laid out like an aircraft cockpit. I would argue for a normal person that is far worse than some empty screen, which maybe hides a bit, but puts the more common or important tools visually first.

Maybe it could just be a toggle in a menu somewhere, "pro mode". These FOSS tools could learn what was good about modern design and try to iterate on the good take aways.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by efortis »

BeetleB wrote: post #75
efortis wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowing LaTeX doesn't make you a good employee.

Knowing how to collaborate well with LaTeX makes you about as "good" an employee as knowing how to collaborate well with Inkscape. The point is that even in places where about half the employees know how to collaborate with these tools, it is not done because you need the other employees to function.

I meant good as in good faith, but I see your point. I started using Corel Draw ~97, and after trying many design programs of all them seem about the same complexity-wise.

Now, many people tried Gimp (which is far from Photoshop) and they wrongly think that Inkscape is another Gimp.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by Tao332 »

foxes wrote: post #38

Why does it see so hard for FOSS to design a good looking UI. I honestly struggle visually with distinguishing what all those symbols mean. I don't use inkscape enough to memorise keyboard shortcuts. I'm sure an experienced user will come along and proclaim it just works, but as someone who wants to use it intermittently, it needs some serious refinement.

This makes me chuckle a little because Inkscape is the refinement! There used to be windows all over the place when it was still sodipodi.

My understanding is that in this particular case, it's built in a very modular way. E.g. it uses an embedded version of potrace to do autotracing. It's hard to make a good and consistent UI when you're unifying so many pieces.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by LegitShady »

danielvaughn wrote: post #57
foxes wrote: post #36

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In contrast to your anecdote, I have never had issues with Google docs. It has always just worked, reasonably clean interface. I'm not sure what elaborate styling you need, but it seems serviceable for when you need a basic document which I imagine is most peoples use case. Also the collaboration is actually very useful. The same reason I use overleaf as an interface for a lot of my LaTeX projects. I can quickly shar…

I feel the same about GDocs. And GSheets is just insane . I have mixed feelings about Google but they knock it out of the park with their drive tools.

gsheets is hilariously slow compared to excel, once you start getting into larger files.
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