A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time • Hacker News Board

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Post by spfzero » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #160

spfzero wrote: post #118

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But before enough prolonged use to cause that, aren't you already addicted, for practical purposes?

I imagine it varies depending on the drug, the patient and the dosage. I was recently on heavy doses of morphine for 10 days and was left unable to eat normally for 4 months afterward, so it can happen quite quick. But the point is, whether you're addicted or not, you cannot stop taking the drug. If you stop alcohol or smoking you might experience light to severe withdrawal symptoms depending on your level of use, ev…

Sorry you had to go through that. I was not aware that could happen so quickly, thanks.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Post by collyw » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #134

Caylio wrote: post #89

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"extensive"

More than almost any other vaccine in history, despite the scare media from universally politically aligned fringe sources

What nonsense. It isn't FDA approved and won't be until 2023. Literally the most dangerous vaccine in history.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Post by collyw » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:41 AM UTC

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #88

collyw wrote: post #38

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That's better than the covid vaccines!

Is this supposed to be a joke? The vaccines had extensive human and animal testing.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-no-ani...

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%...

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 11:14 AM UTC

Tasp

cf. Larry Niven, Ring World, Louis Wu

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Post by HappySweeney » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 3:18 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #166

kelnos wrote: post #148

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> Unpleasantness, and yes, pain is as important a part of being as any other part. That's not really an argument; that's just "pain is an important part of being because pain has always been a part of our being". It's not hard to imagine a world where we can live without pain but still live meaningful lives. The one thing I'd worry about is losing pain where it's useful. If I touch something hot, I want to know immed…

> It's not hard to imagine a world where we can live without pain but still live meaningful lives. Actually it's pretty hard to imagine it. Tons of people conditions without adversity dwindle and end up shooting heroin, killing themselves, or worse, living long lives as accountants.

To expand on said difficulty: the older I get, the more I believe Agent Smith was right when he said that "Humans define their reality through suffering and misery".

Also, homeostasis should dampen any long-term pleasure-inducing machinery (even if it comes from within).

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Post by GordonS » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 8:45 AM UTC

arsome wrote: post #94

nszceta wrote: post #62

The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of…

> Two hundred years ago, powerful synthetic pain-killers and surgical anesthetics were unknown. But opium sure as hell wasn't! And it seems to check most of your suggested boxes too, however I don't think it makes for a good society, perhaps you should consider why, because it's pretty much what you're suggesting. Why enjoy social interaction? Why enjoy arts? Why learn things? You'd be perfectly happy with more magic…

> Unpleasantness, and yes, pain is as important a part of being as any other part.

While I agree in principle, reality is a lot more nuanced. For example, there is a very real difference between spraining your ankle (pain is a signal to rest it), and chronic nerve pain (which only serves to make the sufferer miserable).

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Post by deeviant » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 4:50 PM UTC

collyw wrote: post #172

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #134

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More than almost any other vaccine in history, despite the scare media from universally politically aligned fringe sources

What nonsense. It isn't FDA approved and won't be until 2023. Literally the most dangerous vaccine in history.

So you would choose not use the vaccine and let covid run rampant for 2023?

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

collyw wrote: post #172

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #134

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More than almost any other vaccine in history, despite the scare media from universally politically aligned fringe sources

What nonsense. It isn't FDA approved and won't be until 2023. Literally the most dangerous vaccine in history.

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