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A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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post #70

Yesterday I visited a friend with late stage cancer. He hasn't eaten or drunk anything for a few days. He doesn't really talk or move around anymore. I was just thinking a system like this would be perfect for him, if he could activate his morphine pump every time he feels pain. It's hard for his family to tell when they need to push the morphine button right now because he's non-verbal.

Late stage meaning incurable? If that's the prognosis, why not just end their suffering?

Easy to say when you are not the one with cancer.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

#142
post #62

The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of…

Whatever you're smoking, I'll take two.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leave it to modern man to think we can rearchitect something so fundamental as pain and pleasure in the human experience without disastrous results.

Let's think about the internet. Let's think about how it enables us to achieve instant communication all around the globe and freely share and distribute knowledge too great to hold in one's brain. I'd say the modern men are more than capable of overcoming biological barriers once thought to be fundamentally impossible to achieve. It might be a fairly rough road to get there, but I'm certain our understanding of how…

The internet is a great example of technology with negative implications that may never be understood. Television would be a good (but less potent) earlier example.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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post #62

The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of…

Brave New World was meant to be a dystopia, not a model to follow!

My favorite line from the show (which diverges significantly from the book, but I thought both were good in their own way) was when Bernard is stuck in the savage lands without his Soma, and cries "Is this what you people feel like all the time?!"

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

#145
post #62

The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of…

Whatever you're smoking, I'll take two.

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Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

#147
post #62

The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of…

What a naive, juvenile idea. Most pain is a useful signal. It's not something to be avoided. There is nothing moral about this.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

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post #94
post #62

The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of…

> Two hundred years ago, powerful synthetic pain-killers and surgical anesthetics were unknown. But opium sure as hell wasn't! And it seems to check most of your suggested boxes too, however I don't think it makes for a good society, perhaps you should consider why, because it's pretty much what you're suggesting. Why enjoy social interaction? Why enjoy arts? Why learn things? You'd be perfectly happy with more magic…

> Unpleasantness, and yes, pain is as important a part of being as any other part.

That's not really an argument; that's just "pain is an important part of being because pain has always been a part of our being". It's not hard to imagine a world where we can live without pain but still live meaningful lives.

The one thing I'd worry about is losing pain where it's useful. If I touch something hot, I want to know immediately (through pain) so I can quickly pull my hand away. But perhaps there's a different mechanism that could replace that.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

#149
post #10

I wonder how healthy this actually is. Isn’t pain a signal the brain uses to alert you about a detected problem? Just eliminating the sensation of pain could mean your body would be unable to signal an issue that needs to be resolved.

> Isn’t pain a signal the brain uses to alert you about a detected problem?

It's a controversial topic, many believe that some of the pain your brain generates is for a problem it thinks you have, but don't. Usually this comes up in the context of back pain.

When you start reading up on certain types of chronic pain, there are quite a few "Doctors cannot find any physical problem causing the pain." Usually no treatment works for these people, as there is no problem to solve, except perhaps a brain anomaly.

Of course, disabling all pain would be a bad idea.

Re: A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time

#150
post #62

The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of…

Brave New World was meant to be a dystopia, not a model to follow!

His in-depth response to your precise point is written here: https://www.huxley.net/

(On a side note this guy owns some really interesting web domains)

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