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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by fabianhjr »

Despegar wrote: post #163
cromwellian wrote: post #114

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

The last thing China wants during a trade war is to have the 3 million people in Apple's supply chain unemployed and angry. This particular leverage is also why iMessage isn't blocked in China.

Apple isn't the only company in China, plus they could buy-back or eminent domain closed factories and assign them to SOEs.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Foxconn#/Major_customers

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by ubercow13 »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #138

This was expected. Huawei now presents a serious competition to the likes of Apple, so the 'free market' in the U.S. responds by...shutting down the competition. Now I know the counterargument is about Chinese protectionism, but it is the U.S. who has always championed free market capitalism and led interventions in order to forcibly open other markets to its exports. As this shows however, this belief in the free ma…

It seems like the exact opposite is true. China in some sense doesn't abide by free market or free trade principles, and this can be seen as a principled stand against that.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by room271 »

andr wrote: post #141

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

I'm not sure this is really about Huawei at all, so in a sense it doesn't really matter if they have (up to now) done anything wrong. It's really about the extent we feel comfortable trusting the Chinese government.

Now obviously, every country has its own agenda, but there are (arguably) stronger reasons to be concerned about China than most others. They are undemocratic and suppress significant parts of their population (the Uighurs, Tibetans, Christians, ..), don't believe in free speech or freedom of religion, but also have a large economy and military presence. Now of course, other countries are not saints, but the differences with China (and in particular its disregard for human rights) make future disagreement much more likely.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by mappu »

stefan_ wrote: post #55
knocte wrote: post #17

Well, Android is opensource so they will be able to just run it, but without that google crap such as gmail, maps, assistant, etc... Which sounds like a good thing to me. I'll try to buy a new Huawei phone soon.

Heh, there will be a rude awakening when they try AOSP or the open-source Android.. "wait, it doesn't have a launcher?" No, seriously, AOSP is very far from useful. That's before you consider that to run Android on any sort of recent hardware, you need manufacturer support from the chips you are using, which you can't get if you are barred from trade with them.

Hasn't AOSP always had a launcher? https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Laun... is the current one.

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Post by fabianhjr »

microcolonel wrote: post #129
wallmountedtv wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better source thats not google amp https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3001685/huawei-co...

From comment by StudentStuff, hidden below: > SCMP is owned by Alibaba, they're far from impartial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post .

And Engadget is owned by Verizon and they are closer to the smartphone industry. (Hardly impartial too)

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Engadget

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Post by yorwba »

microcolonel wrote: post #129
wallmountedtv wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better source thats not google amp https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3001685/huawei-co...

From comment by StudentStuff, hidden below: > SCMP is owned by Alibaba, they're far from impartial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post .

They're the source for the Engadget article, so still a better choice in any case. The change in ownership also hasn't affected the quality of their reporting, as far as I can tell.

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Post by tlear »

pjmlp wrote: post #132
partiallypro wrote: post #121

You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.

Like Guantanamo?

Anyone who ended up in Guntanamo would have had a bullet to head in PRC, they would not bother with a camp. It is for hundreds of thousands of undesirables(like Muslims etc).

When USA ships it’s Muslims into a camp in Nevada desert and starts re-educating them let us know

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by Mikeb85 »

avocado4 wrote: post #150
cromwellian wrote: post #114

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

Asking for a source for an assertion that is a fairly well-known fact is simply lazy.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

gruez wrote: post #128
techntoke wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will probably lose support from mobile carriers at that point.

why would carriers care about bootloader unlocks? it's different from a carrier lock , which prevents a phone from being used on another carrier.

Doesn't an unlocked bootloader almost automatically allow bypassing of the carrier lock?
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