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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by zimpenfish »

jacquesm wrote: post #143
humanrebar wrote: post #124

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I moved from "everyone deserves to be heard out" to "this guy is a bully and a bad person in many other ways". It was clear when he made fun of a man's disability and just grew from there. To be fair to the GOP, Trump basically did a hostile takeover with a plurality of the vote on the right against a very fractured field. I'm not advocating for a pissing contest over who is more violent. I'm advocating for people to…

> I moved from "everyone deserves to be heard out" to "this guy is a bully and a bad person in many other ways". It was clear when he made fun of a man's disability and just grew from there. Ok, I thought it was rather very visible earlier on, such as before he even decided to run for president. > To be fair to the GOP, Trump basically did a hostile takeover with a plurality of the vote on the right against a very fr…

> Ok, I thought it was rather very visible earlier on, such as before he even decided to run for president.

Being sued for racial discrimination in 1973 was a pretty big clue. But the birther nonsense should really have tipped everyone off about what was going on.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by zimpenfish »

throwawaymanbot wrote: post #138
humanrebar wrote: post #68

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> Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. I gave up on Trump in the winter of 2015/2016. I'm way ahead of you there. I'm just saying people have valid thoughts (polarization in general leads to t his) that might be considered premature. But if we're going to be evenhanded, angry left-wing people need to honor a cool off period for a while. Keep in mind that moderates who dislike…

I think "right-wing" people like to blame everyone else for bad things that happen. Its so infantile. (which fits the right wing psych profile) Its YOUR fault the KKK exists. Its YOUR fault that the alt-Right exists. its Hilarys fault, its BLM fault, its Obamas fault. Its immigrants fault etc etc ad nauseum. Not ONE "right-wing" person can say, hey, maybe it is my/our fault. Losers.

> Not ONE "right-wing" person can say, hey, maybe it is my/our fault. Losers.

If they were capable of that level of reflection and self-awareness, they wouldn't be right-wing.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

rjtavares wrote: post #150
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #123

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Let's try it this way: This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a rea…

Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote.

> Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote.

This argument has never made any sense. White supremacists are concentrated in states that Republicans win by such large margins that victory is assured regardless of how the minority sporting swastika tattoos votes.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by justin66 »

StevePerkins wrote: post #71
mrbiber wrote: post #23

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This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…

> But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist.

> As a moderate, BOTH extremes in the U.S. scare the shit out of me right now.

This is painfully ridiculous. The lunatic with a rifle is not representative of Sanders or his supporters, or the left in the U.S. I don't think an honest person of any political stripe would listen to Sanders condemnation of the guy and wonder whether he really meant it.

The Nazis and the Klan... are the Nazis and the Klan. Murder is what they do, and the best that could possibly have been said about the ones marching the other day was that they were just some kind of weak wannabes, not the real thing. Which would have been a smarter thing to say before they killed somebody at their rally.

I just cannot fathom some of the over-intellectualized naivete I'm reading here.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by zimpenfish »

nl wrote: post #102
zimpenfish wrote: post #87

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> Is it people who support Nazis who downvote this There are certainly a lot of people on here who are very keen to point out that the Nazis aren't that bad because [bullshit reasons], yes.

Are there? I mean, I see lots of false equivalence arguments and (possibly fair, possibly not) criticisms of political violence from left-leaning groups. But surely no one is arguing "Nazis aren't bad" on HN?

> But surely no one is arguing "Nazis aren't bad" on HN?

If your first instinct is to minimise the Nazis (historical or new) by way of comparison to [anything else], then yeah, I would say they're arguing exactly that.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by dragonwriter »

adventist wrote: post #62

What is the point in quitting? You just went from some voice to zero. This is just virtue-signaling and is non-productive.

> What is the point in quitting? You just went from some voice to zero.

People—especially in billionaire CEOs—have a voice whether or not they serve on one of Trump's showpiece councils.

> This is just virtue-signaling

Virtue-signalling is a technique to magnify trust from and thereby influence over the signalled group; it is often, for that reason, a mechanism to magnify one's political voice. So, the complaint that it is virtue-signalling actually contradicts the complaint that it nullifies the actor's voice.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by jaredklewis »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #123
mrbiber wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

Let's try it this way: This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a rea…

> Obama has not denounced radical Islamic terrorism

Well yea, Obama, like George Bush before him, didn't use those exact words because it's a pointlessly offensive term. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Almost all of those 1.6 billion people are peaceful, responsible humans, just living their lives. Obama and Bush denounced terrorism all the time. But both of them, being somewhat more thoughtful than Trump, decided not to lump those 1.6 billion in with a tiny group of murdering lunatics, by naming those murdering lunatics after peaceful group's religion.

It would be as if we called KKK lynchings to Radical Christian Terrorism, as the KKK's makes all kinds of claims relating their batshit ideology to Christianity. Doesn't mean it has anything to do with Christianity though.

In short, your comparison doesn't hold up at all, as Obama consistently denounced terrorism by Al Qaeda and ISIS in clear, strong terms.

Trump got pitched a total softball, and he somehow managed to screw it up. Violence at a rally organized by white supremacists? Seems pretty cut and dry.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by andriesm »

throwawaywonk wrote: post #167
madengr wrote: post #158

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The nazis had the demonstration permit (not that one should be needed). BOTH sides were the problem, because BOTH sides were engaging in violence. That's exactly what Trump said. This country isn't a safe space; seems many want it like that.

The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?

Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

jaredklewis wrote: post #177
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's try it this way: This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a rea…

> Obama has not denounced radical Islamic terrorism Well yea, Obama, like George Bush before him, didn't use those exact words because it's a pointlessly offensive term. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Almost all of those 1.6 billion people are peaceful, responsible humans, just living their lives. Obama and Bush denounced terrorism all the time. But both of them, being somewhat more thoughtful than Trump…

Radical Islamists are to Muslims as white supremacists are to white people.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by humanrebar »

pavlov wrote: post #157
humanrebar wrote: post #112

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There's not enough space here to get into it in too much detail, but for historical reason, the American right isn't (*) the same thing as the European right. Hundreds of years ago, the U.S. was a constitutional republic with working federalism and a limited national government. Hundreds of years ago, Europe was a lot of things, but often there were monarchs and dictators. So things that seem rather moderate to a Eur…

So things that seem rather moderate to a European (nationalising some industry) is a brand new thing in the American context. When was the last time an entire industry was nationalized in Europe? I can't even think of a post-WWII example off the top of my head. (I'm sure there are examples, considering the success of Communist parties in some West European countries in the decade after 1945.) It's true that there are…

The confusion here is basically my point. I'll simplify. Scalia, a very conservative Supreme Court Justice, said burning the American flag is a right. And he made a right wing case for that. And it's not controversial on the right. In contrast, speech restrictions are popular on both the left and right in Europe. It's more about whose you like better.

In the healthcare debate, the American right argued that the national government didn't (and shouldn't) have the power to take certain steps. The European right mostly argues from practical or identity-based reasons. So healthcare controversies involve levels of funding, pay for workers, coverage for refugees, and things like that.

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