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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by ikeyany »

jacquesm wrote: post #30
ikeyany wrote: post #25

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But Trump has been bedfellows with white supremacists since day one. All of a sudden there are "optical disadvantages" of being closer to him?

> But Trump has been bedfellows with white supremacists since day one. Yes, but there were people who thought that once he became president his true nature would come out and things would be better and that he was merely using these people as a tool to get elected. Now, he probably did use them as a tool to get elected but at the same time I suspect that his real sympathies lie with them rather than with the groups t…

When you dance with the devil, you don't get to pick the tune.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by nl »

zimpenfish wrote: post #87
nl wrote: post #32

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How can resigning in response to failure to condemn the KKK and Nazis be considered an extreme position? It seems to me that "I condemn Nazis and the KKK" is pretty much a "motherhood"[1] statement and you'd have to be pretty extreme not to make it. Even Jeff Sessions condemned it, and many of those on the left consider him a complete bogeyman. So while increased polarization might be a problem in US politics, I'm no…

> Is it people who support Nazis who downvote this There are certainly a lot of people on here who are very keen to point out that the Nazis aren't that bad because [bullshit reasons], yes.

Are there? I mean, I see lots of false equivalence arguments and (possibly fair, possibly not) criticisms of political violence from left-leaning groups.

But surely no one is arguing "Nazis aren't bad" on HN?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by pavlov »

humanrebar wrote: post #94
croon wrote: post #69

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You are correct. The problem is that the current president and the non-quiet part of the GOP wants to paint the factual moderate news media (or "MSM") as a liberal conspiracy.

> the factual moderate news media It's not a conspiracy. You can have emergent bias as much as planned bias. That's basically the position of various HR departments who offer unconscious bias training. At any rate, every study I've seen has confirmed that most media orgs at least lean left. Have you seen any that disagree?

The fundamental bias here is not the media, but the definition of "left". If you transplanted CNN into France or Germany, their editorial position would be on the mainstream center-right.

For example, I've noticed that a lot of Americans think of Angela Merkel as a leftist. But she's a right-wing conservative from a party called "Christian Democratic Union"!

In a way, the American media has been successfully gerrymandered: the extreme right has been pulling the left/right demarcation line towards them for decades.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by empath75 »

nmbr213 wrote: post #90
woofyman wrote: post #37

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There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.

> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect p…

> This kind of double standard is what fuels white supremacists.

Absolute and complete bullshit. What fuels white supremacists is a combination of idiocy, hatred and personal failure.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by calafrax »

bitL wrote: post #12

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

when wealth and income disparity are at an all time high then for the ruling class paralysis is the best policy.

the only voice that matters is the voice of wall street and the voice of the corporate elite.

as long as politically irrelevant people on the left and right are busy yelling at each other about irrelevant issues that have no effect of wealth and income distribution then everything is going according to plan.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by madengr »

mrbiber wrote: post #23
bitL wrote: post #12

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

You have conveniently ignored the recent terroism and murders by left wing activists.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by viridian »

nl wrote: post #99
humanrebar wrote: post #38

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There was also the assassination of police officers in Dallas last year. That's on top of a series of ambush style killings of police officers. EDIT: Would downvoters care to explain where I'm mistaken?

So let's talk about that. On the day the shooter was killed, Obama gave a press conference[1] where he said: We still don’t know all the facts. What we do know is that there’s been a vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement. Police in Dallas were on duty, doing their job, keeping people safe during a peaceful protest. These law enforcement officers were targeted, and nearly a dozen officers were s…

Let's not forget that Obama immediately used the Dallas shootings as an opportunity to aggrandize gun control at the same time. During his Paris release he also said:

"We also know when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately, it makes attacks like these more deadly and more tragic, [...] In the days ahead, we will have to consider those realities as well. In the meantime, today, our focus is on the victims and their families."

I don't know if that's something I would consider to be in the wheelhouse of what the president should do, as it reads like exploitative base rallying to me, which is something I've accused Trump of as well. I get it, never waste a good tragedy and all that, but it seems modern presidents are far too open about using tragedy to push an agenda.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by diryawish »

yardie wrote: post #72
diryawish wrote: post #34

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Trump was the most moderate Republican candidate.

There were far more candidates that did not run on racist, misogynist platforms, ie. Bush, Rubio, Johnson. Trump was never the most moderate. The Republican party didn't even choose him. Their constituents did. And if they had been paying attention they would have known a demagogue could have walked off with the party base.

I take that back; Kasich was the most moderate. He also had very little charisma, unfortunately. He could have been a perfect VP for this administration if the two could get along.

Trump was typically more moderate on the economy and tax policy, abortion, military. His stance on immigration is the more conservative than the rest. Rubio and most of the rest were very strict on abortion, had typical Republican ideas on tax, support interventionist military campaigns, but had varying but less conservative stances on immigration. Although Trump's behavior was boorish and comedic at times, that appeals to Americans and gets you media exposure. Just like the coolness of Obama and Bill Clinton.

If the DNC didn't engage in shenanigans, wouldn't the Democratic demagogue have had a much better chance at winning than Hillary?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by akerro »

> my abhorrence at the recent hate-spawned violence in Charlottesville, and earlier today I called on all leaders to condemn the white supremacists

Does he know that the victim of violence was actually the attacker and he attacked walking protesters with baseball bat?

https://streamable.com/svxcr

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by viridian »

humanrebar wrote: post #81
woofyman wrote: post #51

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>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

I think it's the riots and assassinations. Maybe blocking traffic depending on who you ask. Of course, Black Lives Matter isn't a well defined group, so you can't blame all of them for the actions of a few. But that's true of people who want .

Don't forget disrupting pride parades. BLM really has had it out for the LGBT community in the midwest this year, for whatever reason.
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