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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left

I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist.

In Dallas last year, 5 police officers were assassinated and another 9 injured at a BLM protest march (the deadliest incident for U.S. law enforcement since 9/11), by an Army veteran who openly cited racial hatred as his motive. I went to church the following Sunday. I was a member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation, one of the most liberal American sects. The sermon more or less boiled down to, "Meh, they had it coming". I have since left the UU community, after more than a decade of fellowship there.

Where is the balancing point, at which you can declare "equivalence"? I don't know, and don't really care. But the narrative that polarization and extremism are entirely one-sided needs to go.

As a moderate, BOTH extremes in the U.S. scare the shit out of me right now. I'm a bit sick of being told that I'm "normalizing" awful things by not locking arms with one side, shutting my brain off, and chanting along with the mob. The mob has the intellect, the morality, and the attention span of a goldfish.

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Moderate Republicans have been driven out of the party. They're considered RINOS.

Trump was the most moderate Republican candidate.

There were far more candidates that did not run on racist, misogynist platforms, ie. Bush, Rubio, Johnson. Trump was never the most moderate. The Republican party didn't even choose him. Their constituents did. And if they had been paying attention they would have known a demagogue could have walked off with the party base.

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

> The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle Could you elaborate on this "going bananas"? > While the right seem to be business as usual. * Pushing through Gorsuch using nuclear option * Trying to deprive 10s of millions of people of healthcare multiple times without even publicly showing the proposed bill(s) * Banning cameras and reporters from briefings * Electing a GOP congressman one DAY AFTE…

I'm not seeing a connections here. What does healthcare policy have to do with a racist murdering people with his car and the President's bizarre delay in condemning the incident?

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The right ran 200 yards further right. As much as I hate Reagan, that guy wouldn't recognize the current GOP. There are barely any moderate republicans left. The current GOP is defunding everything from the state department, EPA to education. Meanwhile the democrats (outside of Sanders who's a self-defined independent, and Warren) are afraid to even suggest universal healthcare because it would be too left-leaning. T…

If a significant portion of the US population doesn't want Universal Healthcare, then it is too left leaning. Just because many European countries have adopted a policy doesn't mean the US should, especially if the populace disagrees.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-suppo...

> Currently, 60% say the federal government is responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans

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Why don't we demand the same disavowal of left wing radical groups like Antifa from Democratic politicians. There is countless footage of peaceful right-wing protesters getting beat, fire bombed, etc. at Berkeley and elsewhere.

If don't you listen, you don't hear: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-ann-coult... https://www.mediaite.com/tv/elizabeth-warren-to-berkeley-pro... re: Scalise Shooting: In a statement, Senator Sanders wrote that he had been “informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign.” He went on to say: “I am sickened by th…

And Trump tweeted:

> We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/89642082278044467...

He didn't fail to speak up.

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

> the left seem to have went full bananas... While the right seem to be business as usual. Clicks profile, and understands the statement. Sorry mate, but Eastern euro right is considered extreme compared to western euro right. To you this may seem business as usual.

I suppose a new development is that Trump is more in the mold of a European right-winger. Up until now, the American right hasn't resembled the nationalist movements of Europe that much. It was more (and I'd argue still is in large portion) an ideological identity (Burkean, small government, traditional values, etc.), not a nationalist one.

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> I am not a politician. I am an engineer who has spent most of his career working in factories that manufacture the world’s most advanced devices. Yet, it is clear even to me that nearly every issue is now politicized to the point where significant progress is impossible. Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue. There's something I can get behind. Angry people have a positive feedback loop,…

"Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue." Do you mean U.S. manufacturing? Does U.S. wishes to trade with other nations?

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> If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point. I'm sure it does. Now, who exactly is doing the polarizing here? > Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. On the contrary, it is probably way too late. Now the question is how much damage will be done before the landslide is arrested. My sense of that: all bets are off. > But then people are looki…

> Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. I gave up on Trump in the winter of 2015/2016. I'm way ahead of you there. I'm just saying people have valid thoughts (polarization in general leads to t his) that might be considered premature. But if we're going to be evenhanded, angry left-wing people need to honor a cool off period for a while. Keep in mind that moderates who dislike…

If you gave up on Trump then that means that you at some point held him closer than you do today. I always thought he was a blow-hard and I'm terribly disappointed that someone like him can be elevated to any position of power. I really hoped that America was wiser than this.

> Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump.

Yes, but it would be a fig-leaf. A large number of them are pretty much on the record as being pissed off that a black guy became president. America really has a race problem even if on paper it is all pretty good. Especially the heartland. Denying this is allowing it room to grow.

> Lumping them in with racists and downvoting them isn't healthy dialogue.

Well, if you purposefully skew the weighting of the responses of the various parties to the point where you feel the violence on the 'left' is the equal of the violence on the 'right' then you're part of the problem. It becomes an 'us versus them' thing and staking out a position in such a polarized environment is something that you should do with great care. I'm not aware of any left leaning politician that has tacitly or openly condoned any violence on the left and some (definitely not all, for instance the Scalise shooting) was a direct response to other violence.

To toss that all onto the same heap is disingenuous at best.

If you want 'healthy dialogue' you're going to have to come to terms with inherent biases first. But that's hard to do.

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

> The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle Could you elaborate on this "going bananas"? > While the right seem to be business as usual. * Pushing through Gorsuch using nuclear option * Trying to deprive 10s of millions of people of healthcare multiple times without even publicly showing the proposed bill(s) * Banning cameras and reporters from briefings * Electing a GOP congressman one DAY AFTE…

> * Electing a GOP congressman one DAY AFTER assaulting a reporter, on live tape.

To be fair, something like 30-35% of votes were cast in that election before the assault (postal, early, etc.)

(What should have happened is that he was then ejected from the party and the election re-run. But that would require honour and dignity from the GOP...)

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