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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by w_t_payne »

wildmusings wrote: post #33
mrbiber wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

You're honestly putting too much stock in the media's narrative. Were you not watching the violence coming from left-wing protesters for the last couple of years? Such as Antifa and similar groups smashing towns and beating people with fists and shovels. It's a miracle the guy they were beating on the streets of Berkeley didn't die. Edit: and how about the Scalise shooting or the police officers killed at the hands o…

There is violence on all sides ... however, only one side appears to have the tacit approval of POTUS. I think we can safely assume that he already (and quite rightly) disapproves of left wing violence -- but a lot of us remain unconvinced by his seemingly forced and totally unconvincing denunciations of violence committed by those who also vocally support him and claim to act in his name. WE need to condemn violence on both sides. The president, on the other hand, particularly and specifically needs to convincingly disown right wing violence and the language of division and hatred. We will take a lot of convincing after this.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by pawadu »

jacquesm wrote: post #8
otalp wrote: post #7

Major companies that still have representatives in the council: GM, Blackrock, BCG, Walmart, Boeing, Pepsi, IBM, GE, Dow, Dell, Whirlpool, Ford, Johnson&Johnson, Lockheed Martin, US Steel, 3M, Corning Everyone who has left: Uber(Travel Ban and #DeleteUber), Disney(Paris withdrawal), Tesla/SpaceX(Paris Withdrawal). And now Merck, Under Armour and Intel(all left after failure to condemn white supremacists)

Ford and IBM should feel right at home.

Don't forget Dow Chemical ...

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by mantas »

croon wrote: post #22
bitL wrote: post #12

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

Nope, mostly just the right. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-pol... http://news.wgbh.org/2017/03/15/politics-government/major-ne...

Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by humanrebar »

woofyman wrote: post #37
wildmusings wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're honestly putting too much stock in the media's narrative. Were you not watching the violence coming from left-wing protesters for the last couple of years? Such as Antifa and similar groups smashing towns and beating people with fists and shovels. It's a miracle the guy they were beating on the streets of Berkeley didn't die. Edit: and how about the Scalise shooting or the police officers killed at the hands o…

There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.

That's fair. But people in this thread are already comparing left and right wing politics. If it's too soon for this discussion, there are up-thread comments it would be appropriate to object to as well.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by spodek »

diryawish wrote: post #36
jackmott wrote: post #20

the left are mostly moderates. we lost our shit and started sounding like extremists when we elected a nazi as president. I will not apologize for that either.

Calling the president a Nazi isn't a moderate position.

It is if the president is.

I'm not saying our current one is, just that logically, if the president is, then it would be moderate to describe him as he is.

Also, a comparison to them in the 1930s, say pre-Kristalnacht, is different and may have more relevance than a comparison to them in the mid-40s.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by MichaelBurge »

> I am not a politician. I am an engineer who has spent most of his career working in factories that manufacture the world’s most advanced devices. Yet, it is clear even to me that nearly every issue is now politicized to the point where significant progress is impossible. Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue.

There's something I can get behind. Angry people have a positive feedback loop, so if we all collectively talked about Monads there'd be fewer problems.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by wildmusings »

w_t_payne wrote: post #41
wildmusings wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're honestly putting too much stock in the media's narrative. Were you not watching the violence coming from left-wing protesters for the last couple of years? Such as Antifa and similar groups smashing towns and beating people with fists and shovels. It's a miracle the guy they were beating on the streets of Berkeley didn't die. Edit: and how about the Scalise shooting or the police officers killed at the hands o…

There is violence on all sides ... however, only one side appears to have the tacit approval of POTUS. I think we can safely assume that he already (and quite rightly) disapproves of left wing violence -- but a lot of us remain unconvinced by his seemingly forced and totally unconvincing denunciations of violence committed by those who also vocally support him and claim to act in his name. WE need to condemn violence…

Why don't we demand the same disavowal of left wing radical groups like Antifa from Democratic politicians. There is countless footage of peaceful right-wing protesters getting beat, fire bombed, etc. at Berkeley and elsewhere.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by pavlov »

bitL wrote: post #12

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

I don't understand the claim that moderates have no voice in the United States.

I'm not American, but have spent quite a lot of time in the country. From my point of view, most of the media is moderate left -- and they have a very loud voice indeed. The extreme left exists but has very little visibility compared to France, for example. (That is convenient for right-wing press like Breitbart, because it lets them paint boogeymen inside the outlines of shapeless outrage-based movements like Black Lives Matter.)

American moderate right is a strange group. Polls suggest they have a lot of support, but their leaders seem to have decided not to use their voice. It's not like they're being silenced -- more like they're afraid to speak up. A few people like Senator Jeff Flake are a counterexample that shows what the American right could be, if they decided to stop pandering to an incompatible mishmash of base instincts at the fringe of their party.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by williamgb »

croon wrote: post #29
williamgb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right are mostly moderates too, no?

The right ran 200 yards further right. As much as I hate Reagan, that guy wouldn't recognize the current GOP. There are barely any moderate republicans left. The current GOP is defunding everything from the state department, EPA to education. Meanwhile the democrats (outside of Sanders who's a self-defined independent, and Warren) are afraid to even suggest universal healthcare because it would be too left-leaning. T…

OK, so the implication being that we need more democrats from the far-left, or a collective shift by existing members in that direction?

Neither extremes of the spectrum have a particularly good track record, so you'll have to excuse my preference for moderation.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by lex_luthor »

lkbm wrote: post #27
pc86 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> payroll/labor arbitrage Or as it's known outside of academia, "business."

That's a much broader term. Being specific is very helpful in communication. If you just want to switch to a more easily understood term, "cheaper labor" seems like it would work.

well said.
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