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Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.
> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect p…
Nazi's have a bit of a history, which you would do well to familiarize yourself with. See, as soon as people like that start talking about 'taking their country back' and feel that they now have their man in charge it is time to get really worried about where your country is headed. Lest you end up arguing the equivalent of 'I didn't know' a couple of years down the line, which to many 'moderate Germans' must have been quite a hard time.
A couple of crazy religious people we can deal with, they are nowhere near to overtaking any Western country. But the largest Western country just got taken over by the ultra-right, according to their own statements. Whether or not that is factually true remains to be seen but for now Bannon, Miller, Gorka and Trump seem to be pretty secure in their positions.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#123"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.
This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…
Let's try it this way:
This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real, actual radical Islamists kill many more people and perhaps even gain more political power. We can talk about this without engaging in some false equivalence.
"Trump has not denounced white supremacist terrorism" is the equivalent to "Obama has not denounced radical Islamic terrorism".
It's a media trick used to derail any conversation about whatever the president is trying to get done and make everybody talk about something incendiary for a while.
There is no useful policy anybody is going to put in place against fascism that hasn't already been there since World War II. Terrorism is already the most illegal of things. Do we really need to encourage Republicans to pass another law against terrorism? One Patriot Act is already too many.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. I gave up on Trump in the winter of 2015/2016. I'm way ahead of you there. I'm just saying people have valid thoughts (polarization in general leads to t his) that might be considered premature. But if we're going to be evenhanded, angry left-wing people need to honor a cool off period for a while. Keep in mind that moderates who dislike…
If you gave up on Trump then that means that you at some point held him closer than you do today. I always thought he was a blow-hard and I'm terribly disappointed that someone like him can be elevated to any position of power. I really hoped that America was wiser than this. > Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump.…
I moved from "everyone deserves to be heard out" to "this guy is a bully and a bad person in many other ways". It was clear when he made fun of a man's disability and just grew from there.
To be fair to the GOP, Trump basically did a hostile takeover with a plurality of the vote on the right against a very fractured field.
I'm not advocating for a pissing contest over who is more violent. I'm advocating for people to treat each other decently even if they disagree. I'm advocating for rational dialogue.
I think this isn't the moment to win points for the left. Partly because I think the case isn't strong, but also because I don't see it solving the real problem of divisive American politics. The left can't "win" enough to forever banish Trumps from power. It only causes escalation, at least so far.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.
> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect p…
Always the snowflake right. Boo-hoo... its everyone else's fault one of our young racist fascists could not restrain his emotions and plowed in to a crowd of people. boo hoo.. poor us, us racists get so much abuse.. boo hoo.
The fact of the matter is someone died and many many got injured, because some young guy hopped up on fervent radical white nationalism (that you seem to subscribe to pathetically) decided to make a dumb decision that hes going to pay for, for the rest of his life.
Your excuses are pathetically weak (how fascist) and thus null and void. Go back to stormfront.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#126Why, because Trump criticized the leftists thugs (ANTIFA, BLM) in addition to the neo-nazis?
Yes.
The leftist thugs deserve criticism, and they should be prosecuted when they cause property damage or harm people.
But they weren't the problem at Charlottesville.
There, Nazis, the KKK and other White Supremacists marched to prove that their race was better than others.
That deserves to be condemned in itself. They also ended up killing someone in what appears to be a deliberate act.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it people who support Nazis who downvote this There are certainly a lot of people on here who are very keen to point out that the Nazis aren't that bad because [bullshit reasons], yes.
Are there? I mean, I see lots of false equivalence arguments and (possibly fair, possibly not) criticisms of political violence from left-leaning groups. But surely no one is arguing "Nazis aren't bad" on HN?
> But surely no one is arguing "Nazis aren't bad" on HN?
Not so openly. Plenty of dog whistles, though.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#128Major companies that still have representatives in the council: GM, Blackrock, BCG, Walmart, Boeing, Pepsi, IBM, GE, Dow, Dell, Whirlpool, Ford, Johnson&Johnson, Lockheed Martin, US Steel, 3M, Corning Everyone who has left: Uber(Travel Ban and #DeleteUber), Disney(Paris withdrawal), Tesla/SpaceX(Paris Withdrawal). And now Merck, Under Armour and Intel(all left after failure to condemn white supremacists)
Are you enumerating list of CEO's who remain and list of those who have left to.. galvanize some sort of boycotting action? In that case, what about the elephant in the room who had a very considerable part in putting this dude in the white house -- Thiel?
I suspect that you're getting downvoted for saying something that may not have a lot of credibility. Thiel doesn't carry a lot of responsibility for putting Trump into office. To say so overestimates the pull he, an openly gay man, had with Trump's base. I bet most of Trump's base don't even know who Thiel is. Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major American urban centers was not being experienced by the rest of America.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#129"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.
This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…
The responses to your comment prove his point not yours. There is literal polarisation within this thread.
Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Calling the president a Nazi isn't a moderate position.
It is if the president is. I'm not saying our current one is, just that logically, if the president is, then it would be moderate to describe him as he is. Also, a comparison to them in the 1930s, say pre-Kristalnacht, is different and may have more relevance than a comparison to them in the mid-40s.
Fair enough. But calling the current president a Nazi is not moderate. Israel would not treat him the way they do if he was. A post-WW2 Nazi or similar party is impossible and unsustainable especially in the US and most EU countries. Erdogan is the closest leader in the world at this point.