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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

#161

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Hard liquor is absorbed faster than beer which leads to a stronger rush effect. It's similar to snorting vs shooting cocaine. When the effect hits faster, the psychological association between the stimuli and the effect (sensitization) becomes stronger. This effect has been demonstrated with rat studies using cocaine: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1460-9568.2005...

Why would liquor be absorbed faster than beer given the same route (drinking)?

Fick’s Law. The rate of absorption is proportional to the concentration gradient.

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#162
It is insane that the people responsible for policing drugs get to decide what drugs are illegal. That's like letting the police decide if something is a crime or not. It's completely antithetical to democracy and the rule-of-law.

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Whereas the sushi is hit or miss.

You've never been to Japan then, have you?

You’ve never had crab log marketed as a spicy tuna roll have you

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#164

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You used to be able to find some wild stuff in GNC ~20 years ago, the 'pro-hormone' era was funny. All the cannabinoid analogs are a good example too, people just want to get high. I do miss salvia extracts though. Being able to pick that up in a head shop was nice before it got banned.

you miss salvia extract??? everyone i know who has done it(myself included) their response was "never doing that again!"

I know I'm an outlier in that regard. It's not the peak/thinking I'm a color I find useful, it's the coming back to reality afterwards. Salvia is an incredibly potent perception cleanser. After peak, as your default perceptions slide back into place you can catch them in the act of taking hold again. I've caught myself 'putting back on' pieces of myself I thought I could never change/always thought was unquestionable/absolute.

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#165

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This is in the same category of statements as "ACTUALLY, everything in food is a chemical".

The parent was the same category of statements as, "I don't eat food that has chemicals." While they sprinkle it a chemical based, flavor enhancing, preservative.

In both cases, you know what's meant by "chemicals" (the broad category of things like preservatives, colorings, and similar, that you find in lists like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_number) and "sugar" (refined white sugar, corn syrup, and similar that are added to foods one would not traditionally expect to have that).

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#166

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This is in the same category of statements as "ACTUALLY, everything in food is a chemical".

Which is true. The idea of "chemical-free" food and water is absurd.

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#167
I am forever indebted to Luc Besson for directing Léon: The Professional, the most sympathetic and realistic portrayal of DEA agents, headed by none other than Gary Oldman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on:_The_Professional

I mean, considering that drugs and the war on drugs was only tangential to the storyline of this film, Besson succeeded in catching all viewers in a morally conflicted web. Can anyone identify the "good side" or innocents in this story?

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#168

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> Voters tend to get what they want I wish that was true. In the case of tobacco and alcohol, there's enough monied interests to ensure it would never be illegal. So this defines the classic simple argument about the issue: alcohol and tobacco are dangerous and other than a weird House episode, have no medical value , and yet society has decided that some dangerous drugs are ok, because the right people are making mo…

That's cynical nonsense and I don't believe a word of it. Prohibition was repealed by popular vote, not by bought-out politicians. And we're not 'oppressing' fent addicts by arresting them when they pass out on the sidewalk in front of my apartment. They are causing a problem for the rest of society that we now have to deal with. That's why we do the war on drugs.

Your certitude is not supported by your ignorance of history:

Prohibition was that generation's war on drugs, and it's not pretty.

The government went to obscene lengths to "discourage drinking": https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/government-poison-10000-am...

And the "voting" was the money'd class, not "the people": https://www.hagley.org/librarynews/prohibition-centennial

Let's not forget how well it funded organized crime, but not nearly to the extent that the current WoD has literally created the drug cartels south of the border.

Moving on to your "observations" of failure. The fact that we literally have a fent crisis nationally shows that the war not only was an abject failure but literally created the fent crisis (cheaper and easier than heroin and easier to smuggle).

As far as the oppression angle, there's plenty of documented history on this issue. For starters there's this: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/race...

I've lost friends to drugs, my brother died of a heroin overdose and my mother died from complications of alcoholism and smoking. Your simple-minded dismissal of the problem is insulting to their memories and millions of others.

Nobody should be doing fent recreationally, let alone passing out on the street. But if your answer to that problem is "Give the DEA billions of dollars more, and fill our prisons with those moral degnerates" then you are sadly mistaken.

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#169

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> Voters tend to get what they want I wish that was true. In the case of tobacco and alcohol, there's enough monied interests to ensure it would never be illegal. So this defines the classic simple argument about the issue: alcohol and tobacco are dangerous and other than a weird House episode, have no medical value , and yet society has decided that some dangerous drugs are ok, because the right people are making mo…

That's cynical nonsense and I don't believe a word of it. Prohibition was repealed by popular vote, not by bought-out politicians. And we're not 'oppressing' fent addicts by arresting them when they pass out on the sidewalk in front of my apartment. They are causing a problem for the rest of society that we now have to deal with. That's why we do the war on drugs.

I will guess that you are not in SF where the War on Drugs is on a cease-fire.

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#170

Fuck the DEA -- they need to be abolished today . Then, fuck all the kratom vendors that absolutely irresponsibly market their products. I've used kratom for 10 years for pain management and it was my best option at the time. Drugs should not be illegal -- they should be regulated, for purity and for truth in advertising (in the case of kratom making it crystal clear that addiction is inevitable with regular constant…

I can't agree more. Addiction treatment is expensive and out of reach for people who, lets say, aren't part of a political dynasty, and the money we dump into the war on drugs could fund free rehab for people who want to get better. I've been using 10-20mg of cannibis edibles per evening for a few years and I've never needed to increase my dosage. And Yeah, I experimented with Kratom for stress/anxiety/sleep problems…

This is why every kratom vendor should have explicit warnings about addition risks as well as being tested for potency, and purity / contaminants.
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