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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by CerebralCerb »

none_to_remain wrote: post #109
eldenbishop wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Raw leaf Kratom seems to be helpful for some with what I would consider a manageable and acceptable addiction danger. You can get hooked on it, realize there is an issues and cut back or come off it without it destroying your life. I see no reason to make it illegal. I've even seen is used by people to get off "harder" Kratom concentrates. Sorta like how we regulate beer and wine a bit differently than whiskey... sam…

You have anything backing up the last bit? My intuition/life experience doesn't lead me to believe an alcoholic preferring whiskey is particularly worse off than an alcoholic preferring beer, nor that whiskey is more likely to lead one to alcoholism than beer. Claude surfaced this review tending to agree with me, with the exception of acute overdose being more of a risk with the hard stuff. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.g…

Hard liquor is absorbed faster than beer which leads to a stronger rush effect. It's similar to snorting vs shooting cocaine. When the effect hits faster, the psychological association between the stimuli and the effect (sensitization) becomes stronger.

This effect has been demonstrated with rat studies using cocaine:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1460-9568.2005...

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by dijksterhuis »

hoistbypetard wrote: post #45

Anyone got a quick primer on what 7-Oh is? That's a new term for me and the web search doesn't seem reliable.

recent jon oliver last week tonight segment on kratom and the wider 7-oh stuff.

Gas Station Drugs: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRZqHzDG_c8

> John Oliver discusses the sprawling industry of “gas station drugs” – a world of questionable supplements and boner pills – which is posing a risk to the public by putting underregulated substances over the counter, and, more importantly, could prevent people from saving up for a Honda Civic.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by MiltarizdMerica »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #72
fierycatnet wrote: post #13

Kratom has been beneficial for me. Extracts can go but the leaf should stay.

My opinion is that long term daily kratom use is terrible for your health, but it doesn't carry an overdose risk so it should stay legal and the decision to use or not should be up to the user.

You have a source on this?

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Post by landl0rd »

triceratops wrote: post #128
none_to_remain wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have anything backing up the last bit? My intuition/life experience doesn't lead me to believe an alcoholic preferring whiskey is particularly worse off than an alcoholic preferring beer, nor that whiskey is more likely to lead one to alcoholism than beer. Claude surfaced this review tending to agree with me, with the exception of acute overdose being more of a risk with the hard stuff. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.g…

I read the article and it's a bit tricky to tease out but the negative association with spirits does exist. To summarize: 1. The quantity of alcohol consumed per occasion is most strongly associated with harms. and 2. "The more alcohol was drunk per occasion, the higher the proportion of it which was drunk in the form of spirits" The choice of beverage and how much was drunk was more dependent on cultural, social, an…

My intuition tells me most people can't put down whiskey like they can beer. My guess is both of these are actual relevant things that affect behaviors, but I have no idea which is stronger.

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Post by mghackerlady »

breezybottom wrote: post #124
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #121

Our country loves to let unregulated & addictive drugs flood into the market, let people become dependent on them, pull the rug by making them illegal, and then arrest them for trying to comply with their addiction. Destroy their lives, cripple their families, send them to prison, get cheap labor. The American way.

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Figure out a less slavey way to deal with addiction

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Post by mghackerlady »

switchbak wrote: post #90
simulator5g wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Synthetic opioids sold at gas stations.

Here in Canada you're not allowed to 3d print a modded grip for the rifle you're not allowed to buy, but in the USA you can get OPIOIDS at a GAS STATION! ... things are definitely different down there.

To be fair, it is a relatively weak one that people claim has medicinal benefits

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Post by platevoltage »

pstuart wrote: post #114

Fuck the DEA -- they need to be abolished today . Then, fuck all the kratom vendors that absolutely irresponsibly market their products. I've used kratom for 10 years for pain management and it was my best option at the time. Drugs should not be illegal -- they should be regulated, for purity and for truth in advertising (in the case of kratom making it crystal clear that addiction is inevitable with regular constant…

I can't agree more. Addiction treatment is expensive and out of reach for people who, lets say, aren't part of a political dynasty, and the money we dump into the war on drugs could fund free rehab for people who want to get better. I've been using 10-20mg of cannibis edibles per evening for a few years and I've never needed to increase my dosage.

And Yeah, I experimented with Kratom for stress/anxiety/sleep problems. It sucks. Your tolerance increases rapidly, and at the rate I was taking it, withdrawals weren't that bad, but it wasn't fun either.

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Post by platevoltage »

cliglot wrote: post #115
pstuart wrote: post #114

Fuck the DEA -- they need to be abolished today . Then, fuck all the kratom vendors that absolutely irresponsibly market their products. I've used kratom for 10 years for pain management and it was my best option at the time. Drugs should not be illegal -- they should be regulated, for purity and for truth in advertising (in the case of kratom making it crystal clear that addiction is inevitable with regular constant…

> I've used kratom for 10 years for pain management and it was my best option at the time. Any weird side effects. My girlfriend and I tend to use Kratom for the mild stimulant effect. The worst is ever done for me is make me nauseous enough to vomit, but I live in a state trying to ban all kratom now and the discourse around it is full of anecdotes of people claiming withdrawals as bad as heroin. Now I’m not a big h…

I think if you're at the stage where it still makes you nauseous, you're probably not at the point where you would experience any withdrawals.

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Post by rustcleaner »

breezybottom wrote: post #124
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #121

Our country loves to let unregulated & addictive drugs flood into the market, let people become dependent on them, pull the rug by making them illegal, and then arrest them for trying to comply with their addiction. Destroy their lives, cripple their families, send them to prison, get cheap labor. The American way.

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Watching liberty get rug-pulled should be upsetting to everybody!
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