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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by Sayrus »

wbl wrote: post #29
Sayrus wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the ROI ( https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/07/06/2026-13... ), the threshold isn't yet fixed but the suggested value would be 1 milligram or 5% of the dry-mass. Doses sold are in grams so this would ban kratom.

Paragraph A,not paragraph B applies to actual kratom leaf.

> Any botanical material of the plant Mitragyna speciosa, also known as kratom, and contains more than 0.050 percentage of 7-hydroxymitragynine on a dry weight basis

Indeed, thanks for catching that. No maximum for an actual kratom leaf but leafs cannot be too potent, right?

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

ifwinterco wrote: post #81
reactordev wrote: post #2

Good. That kratom crap can go.

Yep, go to the same place as cocaine and fentanyl which luckily nobody ever uses right?

I think we're all better off with cocaine and fentanyl not available at local convenience stores.

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Post by mothballed »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #24
Centigonal wrote: post #19

Actually reasonable decision from the DEA under RFK. Scheduling concentrated/semi-synthetic kratom products while leaving the weaker leaf-based products alone is a good compromise to reduce harm without criminalizing kratom (which has beneficial uses for opioid recovery and maintenance therapy) in general.

If it actually has beneficial uses let a doctor prescribe it. Kratom is extremely addictive and should be illegal yesterday.

You cannot prescribe a schedule 1 substance (which is what the temporary schedule has placed into), and even if you could, you need FDA approval of the substance unless it is medical marijuana which recently had a specific carveout making it federally legal to non-FDA approved dispense through state licensed facilities.

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Post by Legend2440 »

dataflow wrote: post #67
Legend2440 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would’ve thought that following FDA’s announcement last year, kratom had already been outlawed. The FDA can say you can't sell it as a supplement or food. But they can't stop you from possessing it or selling it as a chemical. When the DEA schedules it, it is illegal to possess or sell in any capacity.

Interesting that the drug enforcement administration can make it illegal to buy something as a chemical . Their name would suggest that they're merely the enforcement arm of the FDA regarding drugs.

The FDA and the DEA have no connection to each other.

The DEA is a law enforcement agency that aims to fight illegal drug trafficking. the FDA is regulatory agency that aims to ensure the food and medicine legally sold in the US is safe.

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Post by phil21 »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #92
phil21 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feel Free (and similar) extracts like this are especially onerous. It's no longer Kratom powder that takes a lot of effort to get into trouble with. These extracts are not very well studied, and may be stronger than many Schedule II opioids. Especially for certain brain chemistries. In no world should Feel Free execs not be in prison at this point. They know precisely what they are doing, and their marketing is espec…

Look again. Feel Free does not contain Kratom extracts. It contains leaf.

I am quite familiar with it. It’s supposedly fermented leaf. Either way the impact is similar, and nothing like the natural leaf in effect or potency. Fermentation is its own form of chemical alteration.

It’s certainly not ground up leaf put into a water bottle as implied.

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Post by smcg »

newsclues wrote: post #60
vitally3643 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to provide ID and be over 21 to purchase nicotine. You can't advertise nicotine products. You have to be licensed to sell nicotine products. Same for alcohol. Restrictions on who can buy, who can sell, and how you can advertise and market. These are not the same as some random pill from a gas station sold to anyone with cash with zero regulations, safety, restrictions, or even any requirement to tell you wha…

When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines. I am not that old.

now they have vape vending machines!

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Post by Avicebron »

parineum wrote: post #77
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #43

Kratom is such an interesting drug. About 10 years ago, when it was less well-known, you could find better raw leaf powder and it was helping people get off actual opiates. IIRC there's an effect where the actual chemicals get stronger for older leaves. The bigger market has caused the harvest period to shorten, making the powder worse quality, and creating room for the concentrated extracts and stuff like 7-Oh. Trag…

> People say "let doctors prescribe", but that ignores how in order for that to happen, a pharma company will need something they can patent, pay for the years of testing, get sole control over it for a period, and years later a generic can come about. Is there not universies that could just do this research on the leaf itself?

Without an official blessing from a pharma company the insurance won't pay for it and doctors are unlikely to prescribe it.

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Post by mothballed »

Legend2440 wrote: post #104
dataflow wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that the drug enforcement administration can make it illegal to buy something as a chemical . Their name would suggest that they're merely the enforcement arm of the FDA regarding drugs.

The FDA and the DEA have no connection to each other. The DEA is a law enforcement agency that aims to fight illegal drug trafficking. the FDA is regulatory agency that aims to ensure the food and medicine legally sold in the US is safe.

The DEA enforces FDA regulations though through criminal and civil prosecution of those using otherwise DEA-legal and properly prescribed substances that are not FDA approved. Except for medical marijuana which had specific executive order to place state-licensed cannabis exempted from FDA regulation, a legally prescribed controlled substance becomes a DEA enforceable illegal substance when it is dispensed without FDA approval of the material.

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Post by none_to_remain »

eldenbishop wrote: post #99
Centigonal wrote: post #19

Actually reasonable decision from the DEA under RFK. Scheduling concentrated/semi-synthetic kratom products while leaving the weaker leaf-based products alone is a good compromise to reduce harm without criminalizing kratom (which has beneficial uses for opioid recovery and maintenance therapy) in general.

Raw leaf Kratom seems to be helpful for some with what I would consider a manageable and acceptable addiction danger. You can get hooked on it, realize there is an issues and cut back or come off it without it destroying your life. I see no reason to make it illegal. I've even seen is used by people to get off "harder" Kratom concentrates. Sorta like how we regulate beer and wine a bit differently than whiskey... sam…

You have anything backing up the last bit? My intuition/life experience doesn't lead me to believe an alcoholic preferring whiskey is particularly worse off than an alcoholic preferring beer, nor that whiskey is more likely to lead one to alcoholism than beer. Claude surfaced this review tending to agree with me, with the exception of acute overdose being more of a risk with the hard stuff.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3888958/

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

sanktanglia wrote: post #88
switchbak wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also you can just walk in a farmer's field, pick a mushroom out of a cow patty and boom - you're high AF! Someone should regulate cow shit, there's little to no control over it!

most states require farmers to put additives in their cow feed to specifically prevent those mushrooms, they are already actively regulated

You just made that up, didn't you?
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