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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by unshavedyak »

ipaddr wrote: post #44
sigmoid10 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.

So is caffeine.

Huh, i should look at this. I've been an aggressive drinker for most of my adult life (2 pots a day at my height), but for kicks i decided to cut all caffeine for about 9 months. No real issues aside from very short term headaches, though even those i mitigated by gradually moving down in quantity.

Aside from the headaches what addictive effects are you referencing?

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by AshamedBadger56 »

ipaddr wrote: post #44
sigmoid10 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.

So is caffeine.

This is always mentioned when people talk about addictive substances being widespread. However, I think the key thing to think about isn't whether somethings addictive or not, but if said addiction comes with significant negative consequences/attributes. I don't think you'll find many people saying Caffeine is GOOD for you, but it just doesn't have significant negative outcomes like Tobacco.

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Post by Legend2440 »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #36
v8xi wrote: post #31

Theres a guy Grant Harding on YT etc. who sends gas station pills for testing and some of the things he finds are scary. Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC with no meaningful consumer warning or guardrails

>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.

Governments have spent considerable effort on it, but it's tough to ban something as popular as tobacco or alcohol.

Voters tend to get what they want, and a sizeable fraction of voters smoke or drink.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by ipaddr »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #40
Forgeties79 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is far more regulated and generally won’t lead you to pass out behind the wheel of a car or drown in a hot tub. You can’t even smoke in the vicinity of many buildings, but kratom? It’s basically an unregulated opiod that anyone over 18 can get and use wherever, whenever, with little to no control over what’s actually in it because it’s not food, medicine, etc.

So are most OTC drugs. Doesn't change the fact that you can get them everywhere. And long term nicotine use causes dependence similar to heroin.

Not really but great talking point. The exact quote is it's as hard to quit smoking as heroin. But in reality getting off heroin cold turkey can kill you, where you need to be locked in room sweat it out. People quiting smoking still go to work but their mood is poor. Not the same at all.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by ipaddr »

AshamedBadger56 wrote: post #52
ipaddr wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is caffeine.

This is always mentioned when people talk about addictive substances being widespread. However, I think the key thing to think about isn't whether somethings addictive or not, but if said addiction comes with significant negative consequences/attributes. I don't think you'll find many people saying Caffeine is GOOD for you, but it just doesn't have significant negative outcomes like Tobacco.

Nicotine has positive and negative effect tobacco is one delivery method.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by IAmGraydon »

I don't usually agree with prohibition, but 7OH is the kind of drug that spirals into a self destructive addiction VERY quickly. Most opioids require using for a number of weeks before you start to develop enough physical dependence to bring about withdrawal. 7OH has this weird withdrawal-like crash after even a single use that makes the user immediately feel terrible and often they seek more to make it go away. It's like the crack of the opioid world. On top of that, tolerance builds extremely quickly. Glad to see it go.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by newsclues »

vitally3643 wrote: post #46
sigmoid10 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.

You have to provide ID and be over 21 to purchase nicotine. You can't advertise nicotine products. You have to be licensed to sell nicotine products. Same for alcohol. Restrictions on who can buy, who can sell, and how you can advertise and market. These are not the same as some random pill from a gas station sold to anyone with cash with zero regulations, safety, restrictions, or even any requirement to tell you wha…

When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines.

I am not that old.

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