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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by Legend2440 »

kccqzy wrote: post #20

Last year, the FDA had already said that if kratom is added to food, it is considered adulteration of food. It also cannot be a dietary supplement. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/public-health-focus/fda-and-... I’m not fully cognizant of the interaction between FDA and DEA, but I would’ve thought that following FDA’s announcement last year, kratom had already been outlawed.

> I would’ve thought that following FDA’s announcement last year, kratom had already been outlawed.

The FDA can say you can't sell it as a supplement or food. But they can't stop you from possessing it or selling it as a chemical.

When the DEA schedules it, it is illegal to possess or sell in any capacity.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by zardo »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #26
zardo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crack is great, it gets you really high.

This is the proper response. I'm sure heroin feels really really really good. The amount of addicts in this thread defending their addiction is surprising. PS: Is that a Mr. Show reference?

The Mr.Show lie detector skit for anyone wondering.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

Kratom is such an interesting drug.

About 10 years ago, when it was less well-known, you could find better raw leaf powder and it was helping people get off actual opiates.

IIRC there's an effect where the actual chemicals get stronger for older leaves. The bigger market has caused the harvest period to shorten, making the powder worse quality, and creating room for the concentrated extracts and stuff like 7-Oh.

Tragedy of the commons I guess. I knew people who started taking way too much, but also people who were able to use it responsibly. People say "let doctors prescribe", but that ignores how in order for that to happen, a pharma company will need something they can patent, pay for the years of testing, get sole control over it for a period, and years later a generic can come about. All when you can dry a leaf and use it as-is. There should be room for plants to be consumed. Screw it, enjoy poppy, cannabis, kratom, tobacco, etc.

It probably shouldn't be sold in gas stations but it probably also shouldn't be outright banned, as we'll just get new, more dangerous analogues.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by ipaddr »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #36
v8xi wrote: post #31

Theres a guy Grant Harding on YT etc. who sends gas station pills for testing and some of the things he finds are scary. Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC with no meaningful consumer warning or guardrails

>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.

So is caffeine.

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Post by vitally3643 »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #36
v8xi wrote: post #31

Theres a guy Grant Harding on YT etc. who sends gas station pills for testing and some of the things he finds are scary. Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC with no meaningful consumer warning or guardrails

>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.

You have to provide ID and be over 21 to purchase nicotine. You can't advertise nicotine products. You have to be licensed to sell nicotine products.

Same for alcohol. Restrictions on who can buy, who can sell, and how you can advertise and market.

These are not the same as some random pill from a gas station sold to anyone with cash with zero regulations, safety, restrictions, or even any requirement to tell you what's actually in it.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #40
Forgeties79 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is far more regulated and generally won’t lead you to pass out behind the wheel of a car or drown in a hot tub. You can’t even smoke in the vicinity of many buildings, but kratom? It’s basically an unregulated opiod that anyone over 18 can get and use wherever, whenever, with little to no control over what’s actually in it because it’s not food, medicine, etc.

So are most OTC drugs. Doesn't change the fact that you can get them everywhere. And long term nicotine use causes dependence similar to heroin.

It doesn’t even compare man. I am pro legalization of drugs but it doesn’t mean they should be as unregulated as kratom currently is

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by jambalaya8 »

v8xi wrote: post #31

Theres a guy Grant Harding on YT etc. who sends gas station pills for testing and some of the things he finds are scary. Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC with no meaningful consumer warning or guardrails

This was happening during the early 2000s, though in more "reputable" places (like nutrition and supplement stores; different "drugs" and chemicals, though). Not really surprised it is still going on in the weird little label producers.

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Post by ralph84 »

ipaddr wrote: post #44
sigmoid10 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.

So is caffeine.

And sugar
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