Good. That kratom crap can go.
Yep, go to the same place as cocaine and fentanyl which luckily nobody ever uses right?
DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety
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#82Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety
#83Actually reasonable decision from the DEA under RFK. Scheduling concentrated/semi-synthetic kratom products while leaving the weaker leaf-based products alone is a good compromise to reduce harm without criminalizing kratom (which has beneficial uses for opioid recovery and maintenance therapy) in general.
If it actually has beneficial uses let a doctor prescribe it. Kratom is extremely addictive and should be illegal yesterday.
Let's ban weed and alcohol from recreational use too, if there was any benefit a doctor would prescribe it. /u
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was happening during the early 2000s, though in more "reputable" places (like nutrition and supplement stores; different "drugs" and chemicals, though). Not really surprised it is still going on in the weird little label producers.
You used to be able to find some wild stuff in GNC ~20 years ago, the 'pro-hormone' era was funny. All the cannabinoid analogs are a good example too, people just want to get high. I do miss salvia extracts though. Being able to pick that up in a head shop was nice before it got banned.
you miss salvia extract??? everyone i know who has done it(myself included) their response was "never doing that again!"
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#85Kratom is such an interesting drug. About 10 years ago, when it was less well-known, you could find better raw leaf powder and it was helping people get off actual opiates. IIRC there's an effect where the actual chemicals get stronger for older leaves. The bigger market has caused the harvest period to shorten, making the powder worse quality, and creating room for the concentrated extracts and stuff like 7-Oh. Trag…
>All when you can dry a leaf and use it as-is.
With no evidence of efficacy that the aforementioned expensive years of testing/trials provide.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Seriously addictive drugs being sold OTC Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in existence and it is sold everywhere. If governments actually cared about addiction risk, a whole lot of things would have to disappear from normal stores.
Nicotine is far more regulated and generally won’t lead you to pass out behind the wheel of a car or drown in a hot tub. You can’t even smoke in the vicinity of many buildings, but kratom? It’s basically an unregulated opiod that anyone over 18 can get and use wherever, whenever, with little to no control over what’s actually in it because it’s not food, medicine, etc.
Also you can just walk in a farmer's field, pick a mushroom out of a cow patty and boom - you're high AF! Someone should regulate cow shit, there's little to no control over it!
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
So is caffeine.
This is always mentioned when people talk about addictive substances being widespread. However, I think the key thing to think about isn't whether somethings addictive or not, but if said addiction comes with significant negative consequences/attributes. I don't think you'll find many people saying Caffeine is GOOD for you, but it just doesn't have significant negative outcomes like Tobacco.
caffeine addictions are good for you? so i guess all of the people taking stomach meds are doing it for fun and not how much coffee wrecks your stomach. also the number of our teens/young adults addicted to energy drinks is insane and no one can argue that stuff isnt a net negative to the body
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nicotine is far more regulated and generally won’t lead you to pass out behind the wheel of a car or drown in a hot tub. You can’t even smoke in the vicinity of many buildings, but kratom? It’s basically an unregulated opiod that anyone over 18 can get and use wherever, whenever, with little to no control over what’s actually in it because it’s not food, medicine, etc.
Also you can just walk in a farmer's field, pick a mushroom out of a cow patty and boom - you're high AF! Someone should regulate cow shit, there's little to no control over it!
most states require farmers to put additives in their cow feed to specifically prevent those mushrooms, they are already actively regulated
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#89Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety
#90Anyone got a quick primer on what 7-Oh is? That's a new term for me and the web search doesn't seem reliable.
Synthetic opioids sold at gas stations.
Here in Canada you're not allowed to 3d print a modded grip for the rifle you're not allowed to buy, but in the USA you can get OPIOIDS at a GAS STATION! ... things are definitely different down there.