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Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#161

So does everyone here speak Swedish except me, or are we all chatting about an article we can't read? Here's an English article saying the same, just to maintain the illusion. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/14/europe/sweden-finland-nato-ne...

Google translate is your friend.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=sv&tl=en&text=https%3A%2F%2...

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#162
post #117

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Who the fuck cares what Russia demands. Do you ask your neighbor to approve your friend list ? Russia thought it could force the issue, and has had its ass handed back to them .

> Do you ask your neighbor to approve your friend list? Well, if my neighbor had nukes pointed at my house, I might at least care what they thought.

And your friends have nukes pointed at the neighbors house - perhaps the neighbour wants to mind his words lest his house be turned in a glassed skate park.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#163
post #45

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India is the most independent amongst the vassals. But it's not a fully independent nation like the US, russia, china or even north korea. No truly independent nation would be part of the commonwealth of nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations Leaders • Head Queen Elizabeth II • Secretary-General The Baroness Scotland of Asthal • Chair-in-Office Boris Johnson

What are you smoking? Pass it around please! India is a _republic_ with a president as its head of state. Maybe look into the history of India post-WW2. The Commonwealth of Nations is a _loose_ grouping of independent nations. Not all of which actually had/have any historical association with the United Kingdom. > No truly independent nation would be part of the commonwealth of nations In that case no truly independe…

> The Commonwealth of Nations is a _loose_ grouping of independent nations. Not all of which actually had/have any historical association with the United Kingdom.

It's the successor of the british commonwealth which is the successor of the british empire. It's pretty much the british commonwealth renamed to the commonwealth because nehru apparently thought it would be too humiliating. The head of the commonwealth is the queen. The leaders of it are the leaders of britain. It is headquartered in london. It's official language is english.

> In that case no truly independent nation should be a part of the United Nations.

Did the UN invade and colonize india for 200 years?

The question is why india would even join the commonwealth? Why are they still in it? No independent nation would ever be part of it. Especially a nation of india's size, history, culture, etc shouldn't be in a "club" led by its former colonial master. Can you imagine china or russia being part of the commonwealth with the british queen as the head?

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#164
post #138

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The very concept of a nuclear country being "pushed" (what does that even mean?) to wage a war against a country, which is more than 3x smaller in population and around 5x weaker economically, is simply delusional. Russia attempted to wage a 19th century style conquest : brutal and open territorial grab including the subjugation and repression of the local population.

Yeah, when you have that much more power (or at least believe to), it's more about opportunity. Russia had an opportunity to invade because Ukraine was not part of NATO yet, and probably had rebuilt their forces (they seem to be waging a war every 6-8 years).

Any attempt to legitimize their attack by pointing to threats they imagine other countries pose to Russia, is easily countered by the very obvious and direct threat that Russia eagerly poses to other countries.

Temporary neutrality is not going to fix this; in 8 years, they're going to try again. All neighbours of Russia would be wise to join a defensive alliance.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#165

So does everyone here speak Swedish except me, or are we all chatting about an article we can't read? Here's an English article saying the same, just to maintain the illusion. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/14/europe/sweden-finland-nato-ne...

There’s quite a big contingent of us (both native and immigrant) on HN. But yes, probably better to stick to English primary sources.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#166
post #150

So let's recount what Putin has achieved in the last 3 months: 1. Failed to conquer all of Ukraine; 2. Failed to capture Kyiv; 3. Failed to make meaningful gains in the Donbass; 4. Failed to decapitate Ukraine's leadership; 5. Suffered huge casulaties; 6. Done massive damage to the perception of Russia's military (and thus the power it can project); 7. Done more for NATO solidarity than probably anything else in the…

The worst part is that I can't see a valid "out" for Russia as a country from this.

Even if Russians, by some miracle, manage to pry Putin out of power, what then? Will anyone trust any of their leadership?

The level of sanctions on Russia is AFAIK unprecedented on a global scale, it's only been months and regular people are already feeling the effects. And if the sanctions go on for a few years, they'll be at Soviet Russia levels of living.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#167

If you have a neighbour that invades sovereign countries, it makes sense to seek strong allies. This is a direct result of Russia invading Ukraine, it doesn't matter how much Russia complains now.

Sweden doesn't neighbour with Russia. Only Finland and Norway!

Check the definition of 'neighbour' in the dictionary.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#168

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> But turks said no. No. If the Turks actually said "no," they wouldn't be making demands: https://www.dw.com/en/nato-turkey-outlines-demands-on-finlan... : > Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on Sunday outlined demands for Finland and Sweden which seek membership in NATO in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. > Speaking with Turkish reporters after a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Berlin, he sai…

From the Turkish perspective, why would they allow someone who supports their enemies to join the alliance? I guess both Swedish and Finnish government would both need to swallow a few frogs to comply with these requirements. At least, they won't be able to maintain a moral high horse over Turkey any more after complying.

> From the Turkish perspective, why would they allow someone who supports their enemies to join the alliance?

...because neither country is supporting Erdoğan's enemies? The dictator is just posturing for his own people, he'll never actually dare to vote against every other country in NATO.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#169
post #150

So let's recount what Putin has achieved in the last 3 months: 1. Failed to conquer all of Ukraine; 2. Failed to capture Kyiv; 3. Failed to make meaningful gains in the Donbass; 4. Failed to decapitate Ukraine's leadership; 5. Suffered huge casulaties; 6. Done massive damage to the perception of Russia's military (and thus the power it can project); 7. Done more for NATO solidarity than probably anything else in the…

After all Putin's talk of the threats that other countries pose to Russia, the real threat to Russia is quite clearly Putin. He's a liability, and there's a very real possibility that he might make things even worse. Russia would be wise to remove him, but I have no idea how hard that would be.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

#170
post #37

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Turks are trying to establish some diplomatic bridge with Russia; that's very good. Russian aggression in Ukraine is terrible, but I feel the US are not trying to de-escalate anything. They are in full proxy-war mode. This can be very dangerous for Europe. France and Germany also would like to have more diplomacy, just like Turkey. Those countries have to live next to Russia - and maintaining a diplomatic relationshi…

If you don't want a hegemonic superpower to gain additional power through protection rackets, then don't invade sovereign nations because you have cancer and want to feel better about yourself.

> protection rackets

Yeah, I wonder about that. Suppose Russia nuked some allied target. Is the USA willing to escalate to global nuclear war over that? Something tells me they won't come to anyone's aid.

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