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Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

Fatnino wrote: post #150
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #73

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This is true of surface streets: on freeways, even the older “Autopilot” is pretty good: I’ve driven on-ramp to off-ramp like 60 miles without a disengagement.

I've driven from an on ramp in Gilroy to an off ramp in Palo Alto without once touching either pedal. Only it wasn't in a tesla, it was in a reasonably recent ICE toyota with adaptive cruise control and lane keeping. So what was your point about FSD again?

I only keep my hands on the steering wheel because I need to confirm attention. And the car changes lanes to pass, etc. without input from me.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by givemeethekeys »

hunterb123 wrote: post #104
givemeethekeys wrote: post #92

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If, while driving, the car gets into a wreck and it is found that the driver was playing video games while driving, then the car maker should be held at least partially liable. On the other hand, if the driver decided to install their own game system so that they can drive and game at the same time - that would make it solely the driver's responsibility.

If you're fiddling with the radio dial or anything else and not looking at the road should the car maker also be held accountable? No. Adults should be held accountable for their actions. It's not hard to pay attention to the road. - edit - To below, please don't quote out of context and put words into my mouth. Answer the question whether or not a manufacturer should be held accountable if a driver is fiddling with…

One can adjust a radio before they start driving. After that, there are volume controls and other physical controls available for adjustments without taking one's eyes off the road.

Videogames on the other hand require the driver's complete attention while the car is still moving.

If a manufacturer installs video games for the driver to be able to play while they're driving, then yes, they should be held liable for any accidents caused due to playing video games while driving.

You don't need a "nanny state" law to specifically outlaw something to find someone liable. Existing laws are sufficient and a civil lawsuit will do plenty of damage. I bet if someone dies because of distracted driving due to playing a Tesla videogame, a software update will roll out the very next day.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by hunterb123 »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #162
hunterb123 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're fiddling with the radio dial or anything else and not looking at the road should the car maker also be held accountable? No. Adults should be held accountable for their actions. It's not hard to pay attention to the road. - edit - To below, please don't quote out of context and put words into my mouth. Answer the question whether or not a manufacturer should be held accountable if a driver is fiddling with…

One can adjust a radio before they start driving. After that, there are volume controls and other physical controls available for adjustments without taking one's eyes off the road. Videogames on the other hand require the driver's complete attention while the car is still moving. If a manufacturer installs video games for the driver to be able to play while they're driving, then yes, they should be held liable for a…

The video game isn't for the driver, it's for the passenger.

One can play the video game before they start driving.

One could also fiddle with the radio knob while they are driving and kill someone.

Just as one could play a video game on their phone or this screen while they are driving and kill someone.

The common denominator is the person not paying attention to the road, punish that person.

If I watch porn while driving and kill someone I don't expect people to blame the porn industry for their enticing addictive content, I expect them to blame me.

Personal responsibility, don't be a child, be an adult and take responsibility for your actions.

But Elon bad, so we're having this very very stupid conversation.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by manicdee »

hunterb123 wrote: post #100
spicybright wrote: post #97

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Of course, but it doesn't mean we have to be ok adding even more temptations.

That's subjective and I disagree. There are near unlimited temptations already, adding another one does nothing. The onus is on the individual. How about we all just live in a bubble? That'll solve everything. - edit - Reaching for a cookie and violating your diet is not the same as forgetting to look at the fricken road. Either way though, it's your personal responsibility. You can't sue the cookie company because y…

Games being played on the screen in front of the driver is not a good idea, it’s just another distraction with motion and blinking lights that even the most disciplined driver can’t ignore.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by hunterb123 »

manicdee wrote: post #164
hunterb123 wrote: post #100

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That's subjective and I disagree. There are near unlimited temptations already, adding another one does nothing. The onus is on the individual. How about we all just live in a bubble? That'll solve everything. - edit - Reaching for a cookie and violating your diet is not the same as forgetting to look at the fricken road. Either way though, it's your personal responsibility. You can't sue the cookie company because y…

Games being played on the screen in front of the driver is not a good idea, it’s just another distraction with motion and blinking lights that even the most disciplined driver can’t ignore.

It's not in front of the driver and if you can't keep your eyes on the road then you shouldn't be driving anyway.

I hope many people in this thread aren't driving.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by manicdee »

dragontamer wrote: post #16
hef19898 wrote: post #14

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Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.

> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…

Where are the electric cars from all the traditional manufacturers? Lucid and Rivian are starting to roll out production vehicles after years of failing to deliver more than vapour and promises.

Solar roof has been deployed and you can read any number of stories about failed certification (certain utilities are not interested in certifying connection of rooftop solar).

Battery swap was only ever a compliance technology which Tesla abandoned as soon as the regulatory requirements were removed.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by toomuchtodo »

dragontamer wrote: post #133
VBprogrammer wrote: post #77

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I mean, the whole two engines thing is true though right? If someone else can get the cost of H2 fuel cells down to a marketable level I'm sure Tesla would be very happy to fit them as optional range extenders to its next line up. In the UK at least, most PHEVs sold are cynically avoiding a bunch of taxes and benefit in kind. Many of them are never plugged into a charger.

> If someone else can get the cost of H2 fuel cells down to a marketable level I'm sure Tesla would be very happy to fit them as optional range extenders to its next line up. Hyundai Xcient for one is launching imminently. China / Zhangjiakou is launching 600+ busses on Hydrogen for the 2022 Winter Games. Toyota Mirai existed for __years__.

Yutong and BYD sell ~20k electric busses per year.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by slibhb »

dragontamer wrote: post #156
slibhb wrote: post #110

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I've seen every David Mamet movie and Musk is no conman by any fair definition. Politics works like this: 1. Politician "shares a vision" 2. People buy into that vision by voting politician into office 3. Politician never achieves vision but makes progress towards it or fails to The vision can be something like "everyone should be able to go to college," "a good job for every American," "no more homelessness," "healt…

This strategy is called "The old Razzle Dazzle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MIixEps4 Its well known to work. We all know it works, and there are a myriad of examples throughout US history (and maybe even in other countries). Just because it works doesn't mean its moral. ------- Leverage your popularity, start fights in the public, get the common people low-key interested (but not interested enough to actually…

Whether this process is justifiable or moral is an interesting question. A second question is whether there's any alternative (I doubt it). One thing's for sure: the border between "vision" and "lie" is hard to figure out.

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Post by ars »

beachy wrote: post #90
ars wrote: post #42

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There is absolutely nothing outrageous about this. There's nothing wrong with the passenger playing a game. There are plenty of other distractions in the world, if you can't stop yourself from looking at a screen while driving, you shouldn't be driving in the first place. It's not the job of the car to stop you.

By that logic, why not allow movies/video, ads as well while driving?

I'm not following the logic you claim to be using.

I'm saying the driver shouldn't be looking at the screen anyway, it's for the passenger. So why exactly is the car locking it out?

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by ars »

buffington wrote: post #119
ars wrote: post #42

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There is absolutely nothing outrageous about this. There's nothing wrong with the passenger playing a game. There are plenty of other distractions in the world, if you can't stop yourself from looking at a screen while driving, you shouldn't be driving in the first place. It's not the job of the car to stop you.

But you do need to look at the screen while driving. It's the thing I like the least about my Model 3, since the screen isn't directly in the line of sight. All the instrumentation of a traditional car are on the one Model 3 screen. Want to know your speed? You need to look down and to the right (or left, depending on which side the driver sits). Getting too cold? You need to look down, carefully tap on the bottom ed…

Are you serious? This screen in the middle, where the games go, is also used by the driver for road controls?

In that case the problem is not the games, it's putting driver controls there that is the problem.

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