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Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#101

Post by hef19898 »

slibhb wrote: post #85
dragontamer wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill. PT Barnum, Elon Musk, Edison. More people pull it off than you'd think. Its an age old strategy of simply never admitting mistakes and hoping the American population ignores the mistakes. ------ Its what we like to call a "conman", you know... people who are really good at "confidence games" (what "conman" stands fo…

Calling him a conman given what he has achieved with electric cars and rockets is absurd. That's coming from a place of envy or resentment. Musk over-promises, and often, but what he delivers is impressive even if it doesn't meet his promises. Therefore he's no conman. The more interesting question is whether the over-promising is necessary if you want to achieve something substantial. Politicians certainly seem to t…

Well, he can be both. With his conman stunts he is buying time for hos companies to finally achieve something. Sad part is, since something is done, he could just work with realistic timelines. He doesn't, and this results in Tesla et al having an unfair advantage over competitors who are measured against Elon's BS promises.

Politicians are probably the worst group to measure against when it comes to honesty and decency.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#102

Post by rootusrootus »

SaintGhurka wrote: post #55
clavicat wrote: post #46

You know what would be cool? If you could use driving mechanisms as the game controller, like those arcade racing machines but in a real car. Imagine playing Forza or Mario Kart in your Tesla. Given that it’s all electric, this should be doable, right?

A lot of the Tesla games DO use the steering wheel. Centipede, for one. I can never bring myself to play them because I feel like I would look like an imbecile sitting in the car furiously turning the wheel while the car is parked.

It's also pretty hard on the tires.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#103

Post by darknavi »

throwaway946513 wrote: post #17
maxdo wrote: post #8

I'm quite happy as a passenger to play some games in tesla while on a road trip. Tesla's multi media center is a vision of phone-less experience in the car. I can see every day people swiping their phones, doing shopping while driving. In fact every 3rd 4th traffic light "sleeping" driver is due to the phone. How tesla games are that different from having a phone? Tesla at least doing some measures to prevent this. T…

My personal issue with this idea is that cars - presently, are driven by humans, and while we can look to the future, the present necessitates that we design by these standards. Cars are methods of transportation (and even though I'm a car enthusiast, who enjoys driving) they should be driver focused. The center screen in a Tesla is where _all_ the information is available for the driver. There are no secondary gauge…

> The center screen in a Tesla is where _all_ the information is available for the driver. There are no secondary gauges or other driver-specific controls or displays.

That's not true for the S & X FYI, they have an instrument cluster.

> The car, presently, should be oriented for the driver to pay the most attention to the vehicle, the road, and their surroundings.

Games don't cover the psudo instrument cluster on the single-screen vehicles.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#104

Post by hunterb123 »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #92
hncurious wrote: post #71

1. Smartphones allow video games while driving. 2. Isn't the intention to allow passengers to use the screen? 3. Idiots who don't pay attention to the road already don't pay attention to the road. They are text messaging, checking notifications, putting on makeup, playing candy crush on their phone, watching netflix on their phone, scrolling twitter, reading email, looking for podcasts and on and on.

If, while driving, the car gets into a wreck and it is found that the driver was playing video games while driving, then the car maker should be held at least partially liable. On the other hand, if the driver decided to install their own game system so that they can drive and game at the same time - that would make it solely the driver's responsibility.

If you're fiddling with the radio dial or anything else and not looking at the road should the car maker also be held accountable? No.

Adults should be held accountable for their actions. It's not hard to pay attention to the road.

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To below, please don't quote out of context and put words into my mouth.

Answer the question whether or not a manufacturer should be held accountable if a driver is fiddling with the radio dial and strikes another car or pedestrian.

Maybe it's just HN, but everyone seems to want an authoritarian lawsuit-happy nanny-state these days. Sad times.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#105

Post by Retric »

throwaway413 wrote: post #80
Retric wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only today, that isn’t a statement they will still sell you a Model 3 for that nominal price in 4 or 40 years. Rather it’s a statement they will sell you for that price right now. He said they would sell at 35k and they did, briefly.

Sure, I agree with that, but you said: > So not only where they selling at 35k for a while, in real terms they still are. And I’m just saying no, because if they want to say they are still selling a $35k car, it needs to be priced $35k today. Sure, they started with a $35k car, but it is no longer the case. I haven’t suddenly increased my car budget from $35k to $40k in the last 4 years, regardless of inflation, beca…

if they want to say

They aren’t advertising a 35k car today, but this feels like beating a dead horse so I will drop it.

inflation != income growth.

That’s a fair point, but it really means you have taken a pay cut over the last few years. Without inflation that same pay cut would have meant you couldn’t afford a 35k car, so blame whoever you’re working for not Tesla.

Though if it’s something other than a shitty employer then I apologize for the tone. My personal finances have also taken a hit.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#106

Post by hunterb123 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #84
hncurious wrote: post #71

1. Smartphones allow video games while driving. 2. Isn't the intention to allow passengers to use the screen? 3. Idiots who don't pay attention to the road already don't pay attention to the road. They are text messaging, checking notifications, putting on makeup, playing candy crush on their phone, watching netflix on their phone, scrolling twitter, reading email, looking for podcasts and on and on.

> 2. Isn't the intention to allow passengers to use the screen? If it were a separate screen in front of the passenger, this would be a good argument. But since it is the screen the driver is supposed to look at for driving-related information...

> supposed to look at for driving-related information...

You should be looking at your instrument cluster, not the middle screen for essential driving related information.

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I stand corrected, there is no instrument cluster (only aftermarket ones I mistook for stock).

So does this split the screen or take over the whole screen? If it splits it, I'm still okay with it, if it's the whole screen I'm not.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#107

Post by kiba »

shmatt wrote: post #26
woeirua wrote: post #12

If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

You could probably reduce car accidents by reducing the number of cars on the road and destroying much of car infrastructure.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#108

Post by y4mi »

rootusrootus wrote: post #93
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true of surface streets: on freeways, even the older “Autopilot” is pretty good: I’ve driven on-ramp to off-ramp like 60 miles without a disengagement.

I've driving a lot farther than 60 miles without disengaging. Many thousands of miles without ever once panic braking for a shadow. Even average drivers die about once every 100 million miles. AP is so far from that it isn't fair to try and compare. And that's just average drivers, which includes drunks, tired people, 16 year olds, weather-related accidents, etc. Put AP or FSD up against a normal, sober driver in dec…

and you think 60 miles without disenganging on a freeway means anything?

to quote wikipedias statistic from 2012:

  - the United States had 3.38 road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km on its Interstate-type highways, often called freeways.[28]
congrats on your 60 miles i guess... only 295 857 928 more miles until your car performs as well as an average human from 2012.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#109

Post by Retric »

dragontamer wrote: post #59
deelowe wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was always 35k with incentives.

The website quotes $4300 in "gasoline savings". A number that's suspiciously higher than I remember before. I wonder if Tesla has been changing the calculation on their "gas savings" to match marketing needs. In any case, "gasoline savings" is not an incentive.

That or gasoline is currently expensive, it’s up 60% over the last 18 months though closer to 50% from 5 years ago. https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

I find including the gas savings number a poor choice even if you see the real price well before buying the car. It simply varies to much both over time and based on driving habits for any general number to be very relevant, also nobody shows the impacts of say insurance costs on different car models.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#110

Post by slibhb »

hef19898 wrote: post #101
slibhb wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling him a conman given what he has achieved with electric cars and rockets is absurd. That's coming from a place of envy or resentment. Musk over-promises, and often, but what he delivers is impressive even if it doesn't meet his promises. Therefore he's no conman. The more interesting question is whether the over-promising is necessary if you want to achieve something substantial. Politicians certainly seem to t…

Well, he can be both. With his conman stunts he is buying time for hos companies to finally achieve something . Sad part is, since something is done, he could just work with realistic timelines. He doesn't, and this results in Tesla et al having an unfair advantage over competitors who are measured against Elon's BS promises. Politicians are probably the worst group to measure against when it comes to honesty and dec…

I've seen every David Mamet movie and Musk is no conman by any fair definition.

Politics works like this:

1. Politician "shares a vision"

2. People buy into that vision by voting politician into office

3. Politician never achieves vision but makes progress towards it or fails to

The vision can be something like "everyone should be able to go to college," "a good job for every American," "no more homelessness," "healthcare for every American" and so on. Is this lying? In some sense, yes, but I would say we should judge politicans by how they change the world (for better or for worse) rather than whether they actually achieve their vision.

Is it possible to make progress towards some goal without an unrealistic ideal providing inspiration?

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