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Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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prosecuted, lmao

I'm not exaggerating: https://www.pcgamer.com/south-korea-makes-cheating-in-online... https://kotaku.com/forget-banning-online-gamers-are-in-legal... https://gizmodo.com/chinese-police-bust-alleged-76-million-v...

This only applies to Asia. Nobody gets sued for cheating in US/UK/Can. Cheat sellers being the exception.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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I agree this feels like cheating. I read the Valorant page and they've basically re-implemented information that is available to you in game generally, but takes skill/timing/awareness to track and made it more obvious and automatically tracked. How is this not just a low-grade cheating program? If the game developers wanted you to have that information in the format Senpai.gg is giving it to you in, they would provi…

Thanks for sharing your feedback, I agree that it takes time to learn and implement the specific actions in the game - and that is the reason why we developed the gaming coach. Ideally, we want you to learn the game dynamics so you can play better, improve faster and enjoy the game more!

This is akin to saying "if you practice with a cheat so you can see through walls, it'll train you to know where players are likely to be standing".

No, it's cheating. It provides an unfair advantage by replacing a skill with a technology. There may be good intentions, but if so they are founded on a total misunderstanding of competition.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Is an AI that aimbots by predicting player moves with uncanny accuracy really that different from a regular old aimbot?

Another interesting point in the spectrum could be, what about a program that marks up the screen or minimap with detailed heatmaps of likely player positions based on historical data? If that's not obviously cheating, make it time dependent, make it player dependent, etc. If that is obviously cheating, what about producing those maps and not providing an in-game overlay?

I think it's very simple: if you'd describe its usage as a "skill", it's probably fine. Obvious "navigating this cheat menu UI takes some practice" cases aside.

If a professional team uses data analysis and then teaches their players something like "at 30s, on this map, this player rotates from here to here in 70% of games", that's just good training. If they have this data being live-streamed to their second monitor, it's cheating.

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Providing situational feedback during gameplay by way of an overlay or audio queues is clearly cheating. If I were an investor in this company, I'd be asking the founders what their plan is when they get banned by the major anti-cheat engines.

listening to a song that has INJECT at the right moment put in for your perfect injects isnt cheating as long as you dont play it during tournaments, its just a metronome to practice to. Its not a service I would ever want to use because I actually enjoy games and I find coaching it to be too much to care about, but I think "audio clues to practice" doesn't meet the bar of cheating lol.

Your description doesn't sound like it's feedback based on game-state, though.

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Is an AI that aimbots by predicting player moves with uncanny accuracy really that different from a regular old aimbot?

Nope it’s not and that’s why 100 percent if this tool is doing what it is saying, I would consider it cheating. I have tons of hours in Valorant and if this becomes common I will not play the game. I play specifically because of the learning curve and skill curve. There’s already a big enoug problem with Smurf’s and ranked boosting

big enoug problem with Smurf’s

Maybe its just because I play on Sydney servers, but I really find this a bit overblown personally -- and I've ranked up from bronze 2 to plat 1 over six months of playing. I think its honestly just that some people have "on" and "off" games, at least from the hundreds and hundreds of ranked matches I've played.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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So as somebody who played LOL, and debated paying a coach but ultimately didn't here's one person's input:

- I wouldn't have paid for what you described for LOL. (One data point)

- I wanted a practice tool better than what LOL offered. I basically had no way to practice specific matchups at a fast pace. For example if I wanted to repeatedly practice level 1 all-ins, that required committing to a 40 minute game and possibly having my team be annoyed at me. Likewise if I wanted to practice 5v5 fights where a particular ult is a game-deciding moment I had no way either.

- I don't know if I would have paid for the above, maybe I would have if I felt like it worked. Ultimately what I would want to know from a coach is -> for every moment in my replay what did I do wrong: could I have won a specific 1v1?, did I use my abilities well?, was I in the right part of the map?, what was our composition's win-condition and was I helping it enough?

So replay-analysis is what a lot of people buy from coaches, is definitely not a violation of TOS or risk of getting banned. May be worth considering that and working your way towards automation gradually.

Regardless, best of luck!

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

Speaking as a league player and a game developer, the audio cues are 100% cheating and also explicitly against Riot's ToS as stated here: https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/artic...

The relevant excerpt: "Exposing information that’s intentionally obfuscated (cooldowns or timers)"

As for all of the other match data mining, that's par for the course in competitive games these days.

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As a League of Legends player, it's very common. Virtually everyone that I know that plays this game has some sort of overlay(LolWiz, Porofessor, Blitz.gg, etc.) that provides unimaginable level of detail about the enemy team and my team before the game even begins. I can find out what the enemy players like to do("invade", or initiate cheese fights early), roam to other lanes in the map, and more. I know what their…

Huh, well this supports my decision to not get into MOBAs.

To be fair giving this info is not helpful if you're bad at the game itself. I've tried using it but I'm still only top 65%. Once you get to the level below pro players, there's so few people that you remember everybody's usernames or remember who plays on tuesday nights and will remember their playstyle / champions to ban.

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I'm not exaggerating: https://www.pcgamer.com/south-korea-makes-cheating-in-online... https://kotaku.com/forget-banning-online-gamers-are-in-legal... https://gizmodo.com/chinese-police-bust-alleged-76-million-v...

This only applies to Asia. Nobody gets sued for cheating in US/UK/Can. Cheat sellers being the exception.

This is a thread about people selling a program that might be considered cheating, so I'd say that this is the only case that is relevant.
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