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Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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#42
Very interesting. I like the approach, and it seems quite scalable compared to 1:1 coaching sessions. There’s a lot going on in this space at the moment.

A friend of mine recently came to me regarding a tool he’d built in the space, focused on asynchronous video based coaching (https://www.volt.school/videos/c980297a-417b-416f-947b-58a70...)

Then in doing some research for him on the space I found Metafy.gg, who are a more traditional coaching / school outfit, which have raised $5M. Tho it’s really just a marketplace.

Insight.gg was the most impressive piece of tech, but seemed to have stagnated a little.

Interested to see which models thrive in the long run.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

#43

As far as I know there are three types of player versus player (PVP) games: slow paced strategy games (Pokemon), fast paced strategy (Starcraft, League of Legends), action games (Call of Duty, Halo, Fortnite). For the first type of game, having a tool to teach the best strategies makes sense. For the latter two, not so much. From personal experience, fast paced strategy and action games just require a ton of practice…

I disagree, at least for fast paced strategy.

For instance in Age of Empires 2, the best way to improve is to look at a replay of your games, and analyse what went wrong. Stuff like "my economy was idle because I was focusing on the fighting" is much more flagrant then, during the game you often think it was just a few seconds, when in reality it could be a whole minute. I could see a lot of value in having an assistant that analyse your game after the fact and give you hints like: you focus too much on fighting, you have too much resource float, you have a big army but it's doing nothing, your army composition was subpar, you should have anticipated the switch to X, ... You could have it run real time as well, but then you get into the "is it cheating?" debate.

Action games are certainly more skill based as you said, and it's harder to give actionable advice.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

#44

Does this provide real time "coaching"/suggestions during the game for League? I remember there used to be this application called "bwcoach" for Starcraft Broodwar, that would yell at the player if he's not building enough workers, not spending enough resources, not scouting, etc. The capabilities of your League app seem to be easily accessible via multiple other apps (porofessor, op.gg, League client itself), and du…

As another commenter here has mentioned, in the case of LoL particularly, Riot games has banned similar apps and tools in the past. I can also see it causing "integrity of competition" issues with people, although you can certainly get live streamed coaching with professional coaching, that certainly isn't as scalable as simply running a coaching app alongside your client.

Blitz [0] gives an overlay with info like creep score in League of Legends, and character suggestions in Teamfight Tactics.

[0] https://blitz.gg/

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

#46
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This is one of the few genuinely great ideas I’ve heard lately. I’m honestly surprised some of these games have implemented this functionality themselves - it’d probably help reduce player toxicity and frustration amongst other benefits

There is a built in coaching system in DOTA 2.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

#49
When a good significant portion of your website is dedicated to “will I get banned?” .. I don’t know, man, it’s probably not going to go over well with these game companies. Also, is AWS, NVIDIA, etc really a “partner?” Just because I use their products, or get credits, that doesn’t mean they endorse or have partnered with me?

This just feels like cheating to me in Valorant: https://vimeo.com/534438994

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

#50

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

I agree this feels like cheating. I read the Valorant page and they've basically re-implemented information that is available to you in game generally, but takes skill/timing/awareness to track and made it more obvious and automatically tracked. How is this not just a low-grade cheating program? If the game developers wanted you to have that information in the format Senpai.gg is giving it to you in, they would provide it in that format in the first place rather than using their own audio queues, omitting specific timers, etc.
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