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Amazon driver quits over AI-powered safety cameras in delivery vehicles

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Re: Amazon driver quits over AI-powered safety cameras in delivery vehicles

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Post by anticristi »

z77dj3kl wrote: post #143
tomhoward wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not driven by an aim to reduce harm or protect drivers Yeah, this is false. Australians like living in a place that has safe roads, and support governments that keep things that way. It makes for well-functioning health system and a harmonious society. I agree that Australia can be too nanny-statist; that's a separate matter. But it's not true that authorities don't care about reducing harm to people. Governme…

Let's take an example: a lot of states in Australia have recently embarked on a war against speeding. Speed is a really important factor in safety: it's imperative that drivers drive on roads at an appropriate speed. If the purpose was harm reduction, an appropriate thing would be to concentrate on what really is a safe speed on individual roads, updating speed limits (they are currently set by very stupid rules and…

I always drive with the speed limiter in the city and mostly with cruise control on highways. I can easily imagine keeping the speed exactly at the limit, without having to stare at the speedo.

Most people are amazed I just relax around speed cameras. "Careful! You need to slow down. Oh, you are already at or below the speed limit."

I don't get why this isn't a routine for all drivers.

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Post by GavinMcG »

koolba wrote: post #149
GavinMcG wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...not if you're trying to get people to think of 1984.

I disagree. 2048 has more buzz value. People would describe it to their less tech savvy friends to explain the meaning of a the power of 2. 48 is 84 transposed. It’s closer to the present and likely all of it would be possible with today’s technology.

The fact that all of these require explanations is evidence against an obvious/immediate association in the minds of likely readers.

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Post by rsj_hn »

There is such a steady stream of anti-Amazon news articles now that even a single driver quitting is enough to make national news. At least according to Anabelle Williams, who seems to be on a jihad:

https://www.businessinsider.com/author/annabelle-williams?op...

Re: Amazon driver quits over AI-powered safety cameras in delivery vehicles

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Post by anticristi »

dylan604 wrote: post #124
eplanit wrote: post #84

The drivers are necessary only until driverless vans are here (relatively soon). Drivers, being near the head of the line of people to be displaced, have little bargaining power.

So a driverless delivery vehichle arrives at the destination. Now what? How does the package get from the van to the destination? Some sort of Boston Dynamics robot jumps out with the package(s) to navigate curbs, walkways, steps/stairs/elevators? The actual driving of the delivery van is but a part of the delivery person's job functions.

I assume you meant to be sarcastic, but I do like your vision!

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Post by Kye »

GavinMcG wrote: post #162
koolba wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. 2048 has more buzz value. People would describe it to their less tech savvy friends to explain the meaning of a the power of 2. 48 is 84 transposed. It’s closer to the present and likely all of it would be possible with today’s technology.

The fact that all of these require explanations is evidence against an obvious/immediate association in the minds of likely readers.

Just call it 1984 and set it in modern times. It's 1984. It was always 1984. You okay? Don't let the screens see you talking about 2021...oh no. Run.

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Post by jackson1442 »

koolba wrote: post #24
e-clinton wrote: post #20

Many blue collar workers are recorded all day long. In fact, it’d be tough finding a brick-and-mortar store that doesn’t have recording devices all over. Why is this news? Because it’s in a truck? Because it’s using AI?

Having a recording to examine when investigating an incident is different than an AI analyzes all video feeds in real time. The latter is more like each camera having a security team watching it 24/7. That may be common in some high risk environments (e.g. gambling or other large cash situations) but it’s certainly not the norm in vanilla retail. Truck drivers have historically been independent, in both corporate str…

Did you know that NCR, a company that makes POS systems you frequently see in stores, owns a company called StopLift that does exactly that? If you’ve been to a store where they have one of those front-facing cameras on the self checkout, they’re probably using StopLift or something similar throughout the store, and according to their website it also works using overhead cameras on human cashiers.

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Post by eth0up »

erikerikson wrote: post #154
eth0up wrote: post #99

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>Imagine the end of.... A mere beginning to the end of flagrant double standards and the plebeian concession to live under them would be a dandy start. Since we're unwaveringly barreling toward the panopticon anyway, why not do so properly and see along the way who the true believers are, those willing to make genuine examples of themselves. The world should know Jeff's shower thoughts - they'll probably be foisted o…

An end to double standards and a more honest and actuate world in general sounds quite nice. Perhaps some guidance about where I fail to perceive or empathize. An analysis of where I have a lot of opportunity to learn. A personalized tutorial on overcoming my particular failings in negotiating, relating, or investing would be helpful. There are definitely ways we could apply these things to make ourselves miserable.…

Sincerity, authenticity and healthy humility are virtues. I wonder if our feeble to non-existent outrage for this new age of ubiquitous control is a quiet self-awareness of our own dishonesty, pettiness and teetering integrity. Maybe we know we are shit and want some form of automated atonement, eg surrendering ourselves as digital assets and prostrating before strange nannies.

I'm not sure of wealth or admiration, but one can be certain that s/he'll be both seen and "known" in this epoch, mostly by the unknown and unseen.

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Post by brutal_chaos_ »

agsamek wrote: post #26

What is the difference between this and having cctv in a factory building? Companies impose more work control over more people. If a company makes good use of it then it becomes a regular practice. If not then employees select another employer. We are lucky that we work in a creative field, most occupancies require just good, repetitive work. There should be a legal framework to destroy archive recordings, liability…

Abuse potential, because policies can change on a whim. The AI may only track a couple things now, but down the line that can change drastically, now the day's feed (or more!) is available to Amazon because you sneezed.

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Post by Arainach »

tomhoward wrote: post #144
Arainach wrote: post #137

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There's plenty of history in America that the fines and punishments for these things are less than the money made doing them, unfortunately. The math is quite simple for any large corporation.

> The math is quite simple I know this happens in some contexts (eg environmental protections), but with regard to employee treatment in huge workforces, no, it really isn’t so simple, and you again provide no backing for the claim, just hand-waves. And you haven’t demonstrated your bigger claim: that there is a literally unlimited supply of people who would, at once, make good Amazon workers, and be so desperate for…

Here's a typical incident: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/entertainment/restaurants-and-b...

Wage theft for years and what's the punishment? Pay it back. So best case the theft is never reported and the company wins. Worst case the company got a massive interest free loan. That's not punitive - that's carte blanche to keep doing it.

There are 10 million unemployed people in America. That number doesn't include those that have given up even looking for a job, and it doesn't include those who are underemployed well below their credentials. It doesn't count those who are currently earning minimum wage in poverty and who would gladly go through pain and awful treatment to make another buck or two an hour.

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Post by Black101 »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #146
taylorius wrote: post #89

"Safety" is a magic abracadabra word, that is used these days to justify anything and everything someone wants to do. I don't blame the guy for quitting - sounds sinister and oppressive.

„Safety“ sits right next to „green“.

and terrorists, etc...
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