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The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by ReptileMan »

remote_phone wrote: post #122
meroes wrote: post #100

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Or it's in response to and a reversal of the moral superiorirty Christians and conservatives have held over this country for several hundred years. Maybe it's an overcorection, but that's how these things always work.

Except it fails. Look at how and why Trump was elected. All the polls showed Clinton being elected, because everyone was afraid to espouse their opinions. And yet they voted the way they wanted and NO ONE KNEW because true conversation was squashed. And this will keep happening over and over again until the fascist left finally understands that real conversation is what educated people, not cancelling anyone who dare…

To be fair the whole election hanged on a stadium full of people flipping. If Trump wins in November (like Johnson this year) it will be a better sign that people are pissed off at idpol.

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Post by downerending »

mcphage wrote: post #24
downerending wrote: post #22

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This is kind of true. For decades I was an ardent leftist. These days I just can't stomach what they're doing. It's a measure of how far they've fallen that Donald Trump doesn't seem that bad (by comparison).

> These days I just can't stomach what they're doing. It's a measure of how far they've fallen that Donald Trump doesn't seem that bad (by comparison). What do you think the Left is doing that makes Trump seem not so bad?

Harsh enforcement of a numbing philosophical and social conformity, for starters (e.g., cancel culture).

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Post by remote_phone »

the_af wrote: post #151
remote_phone wrote: post #86

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“I didn’t read all of it because it’s too damn long” is precisely the problem with our country today.

Your country maybe. I don't live in your country. And I read plenty, I bet more than you and in more languages than you. PS: you're proving the New Yorker article accurate, by the way.

I think you’re proving the article perfectly. I read the entire thing. And you don’t read more than me.

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Post by JPKab »

wmeredith wrote: post #23
postpawl wrote: post #21

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That’s assuming both political parties actually want “something done”.

Correct. And they definitely do not. The Democrats are not “left”. They’d barely pass for center across the pond. They are just another flavor of The Party of oligarchy and cronyism in control of this country. There are some significant differences in the platforms, but it’s mostly around wedge issues by design.

I share your opinion.

My own theory (without any real evidence) is that the oligarchs use race to divide the white working class from the non-white working class. A specific example is the video on systemic racism going around. It correctly points out redlining (a truly horrific practice), but also talks about black students having to attend underfunded schools. I attended predominantly black, underfunded, public schools my entire childhood. By this logic, I was at the same schools and was a "victim" of systemic racism. Which immediately implies that it was actually systemic classism at play against the working poor, rather than being purely race-based.

If a party chose to ignore the corporate overlords and focus on issues that working class people of all ethnicities cared about, they would get a lot of votes, and very few super PAC donations.

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Post by aspenmayer »

humanrebar wrote: post #129
aspenmayer wrote: post #73

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Agreed on all points. Appeals to centrism are a negotiation tactic; not with the one considered too extreme who should be more moderate, but to the third party who is watching who is sympathetic to the one calling for moderation. It benefits the status quo, and therefore is innately conservative.

No, centrism is to also find areas of consensus and pursue them, however imperfect. For instance, criminal justice reform has made some progress recently. Gradual decriminalization of some recreational drugs as well.

I don’t disagree. I view the two as mutually compatible rather than exclusive. Incrementalism is working within the Overton window to affect change within the system. Progress happens in fits and starts as well as by design and committee.

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Post by the_af »

remote_phone wrote: post #163
the_af wrote: post #151

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Your country maybe. I don't live in your country. And I read plenty, I bet more than you and in more languages than you. PS: you're proving the New Yorker article accurate, by the way.

I think you’re proving the article perfectly. I read the entire thing. And you don’t read more than me.

Oh, I'm pretty sure I do read more than you. I also don't assume we live in the same country. Keep your condescending attitude to yourself.

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Post by ReptileMan »

claudeganon wrote: post #140
hedora wrote: post #124

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The newspapers in the 60’s didn’t pretend that 100% of the population was behind the civil rights movement. When racist politicians spoke, they got their platform. People could read, and decide for themselves. If an elected official wants to publish a racist diatribe, the press should circulate it as widely as possible. Informed voters make for a stronger democracy. Burying the editorial because it would offend their…

Ah yes, giving bigotry a prominent position and mass circulation is what protects and furthers democracy. History certainly agrees with your sentiment.

Since the US has outlived the russian, german, french, japanese, and british empires, USSR and select other totalitarian states while not stopped being democracy I would say that US society commitment to the principles of marketplace of ideas had indeed protected and furthered the US democracy. All while being a lot more bigoted society.

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Post by giardini »

MattGaiser wrote: post #67
born_a_skeptic wrote: post #52

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Why not Tucker Carlson? Just for the record, I subscribe to The Intercept and am a fan of Glenn Greenwald.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=tucker-c...

Politifact is left-leaning and not usable as a bias check unless you are satisfied with that:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=is+politifact+biased&t=opera&ia=we...

There's even a site dedicated to revealing Politifact's bias:

https://www.politifactbias.com/p/about-politifact-bias.html

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Post by mushbino »

aww_dang wrote: post #108

>I always question, why does a Black life matter only when a white man takes it?... Like, if a white man takes my life tonight, it’s going to be national news, but if a Black man takes my life, it might not even be spoken of… It’s stuff just like that that I just want in the mix. Because the dominant media narrative has a fetishized view of violence, racism and victimhood. Combine this with their overarching savior c…

Ending centuries of systemic racism in the US is a divisive topic right now.

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Post by giardini »

CydeWeys wrote: post #63

I agree with some of this, but I just personally can't bring myself to care about the firings of the editors responsible for "Send in the troops" and "Buildings matter, too". A lot of my friends unsubscribed from the NY Times for publishing Tom Cotton's pro-fascism op-ed. The NY Times had to respond to this. They are a business and their income matters. It's not so much an issue of freedom of thought in the newsroom,…

CydeWeys says*>"As for "Buildings matter, too", what a colossal fuck-up that was. If you're that tone-deaf, you legitimately are a liability, and shouldn't be in charge."Not if "Buildings" is also metonymic and stands for "civilization".
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