The American Press Is Destroying Itself • Hacker News Board

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by the_af » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:14 PM UTC

remote_phone wrote: post #86

the_af wrote: post #61

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Is it wrong though? I've been reading HN for years and a lot of that New Yorker article rings true to me. There are some exaggerations, and I didn't read all of it because it's too damn long, but from what I see it's mostly accurate.

“I didn’t read all of it because it’s too damn long” is precisely the problem with our country today.

Your country maybe. I don't live in your country. And I read plenty, I bet more than you and in more languages than you.

PS: you're proving the New Yorker article accurate, by the way.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by stefantalpalaru » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

wmeredith wrote: post #23

postpawl wrote: post #21

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That’s assuming both political parties actually want “something done”.

Correct. And they definitely do not. The Democrats are not “left”. They’d barely pass for center across the pond. They are just another flavor of The Party of oligarchy and cronyism in control of this country. There are some significant differences in the platforms, but it’s mostly around wedge issues by design.

> The Democrats are not “left”. They’d barely pass for center across the pond.

Centre-right to right: https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by JPKab » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:26 PM UTC

danaris wrote: post #31

JPKab wrote: post #18

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Nobody is arguing that the right wing media is not a giant echo chamber. Of course it is. Watching Sean Hannity speak would be amusing if not for the fact that you know there's a bunch of people in their living rooms taking him seriously. But we on the left need to recognize how crazy this s * is getting. If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left, then they are labe…

> If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left So...out of curiosity, just what do you see as being this "insane dogma" "pushed by the far left"? Because so far as I can tell, America still doesn't have anything that could reasonably be called a "far left" that's being taken seriously by any mainstream media. The most extreme positions I've heard recently that have gai…

Just want to point out:

The media doesn't ever report the numbers on police violence. They report the emotion.

Including both armed and unarmed people, just over 1000 people were killed by US police in 2019.

What percentage of those were black?

Approximately 24 percent. Did you know that? Did it surprise you? I assumed it was 75 percent. 24 percent is very bad, since black Americans are 13 percent of the population. However, it also indicates that race is one of, not the only, independent variable driving this. The media is deliberately not reporting these numbers. Simultaneously, they trot out chart after chart of covid19 infection statistics.

When I saw the data, I was very angry that my own perception was so skewed due to biased, incomplete reporting in the media.

Source:

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by JPKab » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:32 PM UTC

mcphage wrote: post #25

JPKab wrote: post #18

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Nobody is arguing that the right wing media is not a giant echo chamber. Of course it is. Watching Sean Hannity speak would be amusing if not for the fact that you know there's a bunch of people in their living rooms taking him seriously. But we on the left need to recognize how crazy this s * is getting. If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left, then they are labe…

> Kneeling before people you've never met to atone for the sins of of other human beings who happen to share your skin color might be something that's normal to you. It is utterly alien to the vast majority of the American public. Kneeling together in humility with other people is a weekly occurrence, if you’re Catholic.

I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian. I don't know the reasoning in Catholicism, but was told to kneel in church as a show of humility and submission to God. I was also told that this was reserved only for God.

I'm no longer religious. I couldn't tolerate the bigotry towards gay people. But the idea of kneeling for a human being repulses me.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by JPKab » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #26

JPKab wrote: post #16

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"The War in Iraq was not a conservative/liberal issue"

It was. You must be young. The NYT was a big reason that the center left went along with it. I have never forgiven them for that.

You are assuming that I support Trump, or that the author does. I don't, and he doesn't. You are engaging in what-aboutism.

Two things can be true at the same time. Sorry if I'm not as tribal as you are. Feel free to go find that on Twitter with the rest of the dopamine addicts.

BTW, along with most people who read, I already know about the diplomats and Trump's misdeeds and hate them as much as you do. The fact that you assumed I didn't is the problem. "DefundThePolice" will get him reelected. If you don't know that, you either don't live in the US or have never been outside of a coastal city.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by jtbayly » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:38 PM UTC

humanrebar wrote: post #136

jtbayly wrote: post #94

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I mean, I agree, but why be inaccurate with this statement? > significant minority of voters polling in support of the view We know that it’s a majority from the article: > A Morning Consult poll showed 58% of Americans either strongly or somewhat supported the idea of “calling in the U.S. military to supplement city police forces.” Is it because of the same fear that the article is describing in the press?

I wrote "at least a significant minority", which includes majority views. I was casting a wider net since I think minority views should be discussed, if for no other reason than they should be understood . Disagreeing with someone without even understanding their views is ignorant. Part of the benefit of current protests is catching people up on facts who were previously disengaged.

I understand now, but I think the natural reading of that phrase is that it refers to a minority of some sort.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by jtbayly » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #148

dilap wrote: post #43

Earlier thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23505400

Which has been marked as [flagged] and has fewer comments than this one. IMO, the dupe flag should be removed from this one, or merge the two and boost them back up.

Yes, or at least be honest that the reason this was removed is because it is flagged, not because it was a dupe.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by ashtonkem » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:44 PM UTC

humanrebar wrote: post #118

infogulch wrote: post #17

The US seems to have fallen into a game-theoretic local minimum where each party lets their crazy cousin go throw dumb rocks at the opposition because it seems to be the optimal way to drum up fanatic support for their side, all the while whistling as if in ignorance of what's going on. At least that's how it seemed to start, now it's just devolved to outright scat slinging that's co-opted our system of government in…

You overestimate how powerful American political parties are. The leadership ride waves. They don't make them.

That’s a fairly new phenomenon; parties used to be extremely powerful.

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Post by ashtonkem » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:48 PM UTC

downerending wrote: post #22

JPKab wrote: post #18

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Nobody is arguing that the right wing media is not a giant echo chamber. Of course it is. Watching Sean Hannity speak would be amusing if not for the fact that you know there's a bunch of people in their living rooms taking him seriously. But we on the left need to recognize how crazy this s * is getting. If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left, then they are labe…

This is kind of true. For decades I was an ardent leftist. These days I just can't stomach what they're doing. It's a measure of how far they've fallen that Donald Trump doesn't seem that bad (by comparison).

I agree that the purity tests of the left are extremely concerning, but they don’t control policy yet. The idea that the person who is wielding power badly could be not as bad as some people arguing over an OpEd seems a bit facile to me.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by michaelmrose » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:55 PM UTC

born_a_skeptic wrote: post #79

MattGaiser wrote: post #67

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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=tucker-c...

Alright, so he was wrong 8 times out of ~10,000 statements in the last 4 years? Or, am I missing something?

The fact that politifact didn't report on everything else he said doesn't imply his other statements weren't lies or more importantly represented useful truths rather than propaganda and misinformation.