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Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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post #157

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I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say Brave is a scam, but it does extort companies and websites by effectively saying, "We're shutting down your monetization sources (no longer showing your ads). If you want that money (or a different cut), sign up for our platform instead."

That's exactly what I said below but I got flagged. here is a copy Please don't speak as if you give a single damn about publishers. """Your""" adblocking system blocks the ads that publishers get revenue from, you're simply saying, YOU CAN ONLY MAKE MONEY THROUGH US. WITH OUR VIRTUAL WORTHLESS CRYPTOCURRENCY. With enough users, your worthless cryptocurrency won't become worthless anymore. The entire business model i…

> I got flagged.

Shouting in CAPS tends to do that.

Edit: It wasn't me.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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post #90

Wikipedia hates cryptocurrencies they constantly delete their articles even Bitcoin was denied an article at one point. I feel Wikipedia is violating their own conflict of interest policies with this.

Please back that up with some references.

It should be easy by linking to the respective edits.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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post #31

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Thanks for chiming in. So from the FAQ : https://brave.com/faq/#all-ads-blocked > Each ad request is anonymous, and exposes only a small subset of the user’s preferences and intent signals to prevent “fingerprinting” the user by a possibly unique set of tags. It means that advertisers still get some feedback on the "intent signals" of the users that have seen their ads ? So it is private in the sense you cannot be un…

Not quite, I think that FAQ item needs to be updated. The model works like this: The user opts-in to Brave Rewards/Ads. This kicks off a machine-learning model that begins to study the user's habits and interests. On a daily basis, the user downloads a regional ad catalog (as to other Brave users in their region). This catalog contains numerous ad options, which your device studies for relevance. If/when your device…

Man, just copy and paste that answer into the FAQ as is. Nailed it.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

#164

Wikipedia joins Brave "Protection Scheme" you mean.

It could only be considered a protection scheme if you were already relying on ads which Brave blocked. Wikipedia does not run ads.

> Wikipedia does not run ads.

Most other websites do. Replacing their ads and running different ads to make money with is unethical.

Toolbars in the early 2000s that did that were considered malware.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't trust Brave, how would that be any better if they were using Firefox as the base for their browser over Chromium?

EDIT: I let my parent comment get the best of me, and I apologize for using the language I did. I'm going to leave it here, though, because it does express my frustration at whataboutism. Excuse my profanity, but what the fuck are you on about? Why the fuck would I use a browser that has the explicit fucking purpose of tracking me, whatever fucking base they base their fucking browser on?

It’s just confusing because then your original comment is a non-sequitur, not particularly relevant to the context of the discussion about trusting Brave on FF vs Brave on Chromium, because, as you say, if you don’t trust Brave then the base doesn’t matter.

There isn’t any whataboutism in the post you are replying to.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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I understan Wikipedia does not have ads, but other websites do.

In the early 2000s, toolbars that replaced a website's ads with different ads were considered malware. Instead of the website that bears the cost of delivering content getting the money, the browser is now getting the money.

How is Brave Browser different in this regard than those malware toolbars?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

#167

I understan Wikipedia does not have ads, but other websites do. In the early 2000s, toolbars that replaced a website's ads with different ads were considered malware. Instead of the website that bears the cost of delivering content getting the money, the browser is now getting the money. How is Brave Browser different in this regard than those malware toolbars?

The only difference is that consumers have agreed to let the browser do this.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

#168
post #82

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How do you prevent ad fraud while respecting privacy?

We don't rely on extension and/or DOM APIs like other approaches—we're the browser. It's much harder to fool the browser. Additionally, because our models are built on client-side operations, analysis on the client can be done without the need to leak any data from the user's session. That's about as much as I'm happy to discuss. Fraud prevention is one of the few opaque areas in our project, for good reason. I hope…

So fraud prevention is closed source? How is that fair?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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- do you plan to have a simple password instead of email link? - are there any brave banners i can use to promote brave? - will u provide a command line tool to verify websites? - why are referrals tied to channels instead of account? - will you expand to micropayments? - will brave always block ads everywhere or will you switch to blocking only on verified sites? Some form if instant payment is sorely needed. I hope…

I think the hostility seems focused in two areas.

* Brave browser still being chromium under the hood. It's not the worst thing in the world, but there's plenty of sound technical/ideological reasons to be against a browser engine monoculture

* A (healthy IMO) skepticism of cryptocurrency backed projects

Do you think those concerns are irrelevant? I find it funny that you accuse HN commenters of being Google shills (my experience is quite the opposite).

Brave skepticism is not automatically pro-Google.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

#170

Wikipedia joins Brave "Protection Scheme" you mean.

Not even that. Wikipedia doesn't show ads, so this announcement isn't saying that Wikipedia will automatically get BATs from Brave using visitors. It's saying Wikipedia has a verified BAT wallet that a tiny fraction of users of a browser with almost no users can donate their worthless tokens to. I'd be surprised if Wikipedia can buy a USB cable with the amount of money they get from this. This is just a worthless PR…

well brave has like 6 million users as of now, so its not "almost no users"
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