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Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 6:37 PM UTC

prop84u wrote: post #139

BrendanEich wrote: post #98

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We need a regulated entity to do directed (tips, recurring), user-anonymous, off-chain transactions, and to comply with OFAC and other hard regulations. We can't do it ourselves. Wallet is the least of the issue, even if the publisher were willing to take BAT. Our future phase (Apollo) blockchain work will move more txns on-chain but not solve all regulatory problems. No blockchain can do that unless you are using p2…

Please do not require people to submit their government ID in order to withdraw their tokens, after you inserted yourself in the donation flow of creators by offering to accept donations on their part from a priviledged UI. We use platforms which do not ask for our ID, and we would prefer if you would not reduce the probability of Brave users donating to us because they think those BAT tokens will reach us. Yes, unve…

> Please do not require people to submit their goverment ID in order to withdraw their tokens

Not verifying ID almost certainly causes a violation of American, British and European anti-money laundering code.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by prop84u » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 6:46 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #141

prop84u wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do not require people to submit their government ID in order to withdraw their tokens, after you inserted yourself in the donation flow of creators by offering to accept donations on their part from a priviledged UI. We use platforms which do not ask for our ID, and we would prefer if you would not reduce the probability of Brave users donating to us because they think those BAT tokens will reach us. Yes, unve…

> Please do not require people to submit their goverment ID in order to withdraw their tokens Not verifying ID almost certainly causes a violation of American, British and European anti-money laundering code. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

So blockchain.com is breaking the law by not asking all their customers to upload their government ID and a selfie in order to withdraw the crypto they have received to a private wallet?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by sp332 » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 6:48 PM UTC

Ididntdothis wrote: post #107

jonathansampson wrote: post #54

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This is correct. Note that both of our founders are from the Firefox team originally. Our CTO, Brian Bondy, originally built the first Brave prototype on the Gecko engine. Unfortunately, after much testing, it was clear that a modified Chromium would be the better route forward. You can imagine this was not a decision taken lightly, as both of these individuals have lived and breathed Gecko/Mozilla for years prior.

It doesn’t speak for Mozilla that even with these people Chromium turned out to be the better option.

Mozilla has been admitting that Gecko is a huge drag since around the time they decided to break the extension model.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by Ajedi32 » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

JohnTHaller wrote: post #39

We signed up for Brave's setup at PortableApps.com after a few users asked about it. They hold your last 90 days in escrow, so you can find out how successful it is once you sign up. We were looking at around 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users for that timeframe over the summer. And we can't even access it since Brave only works with one crypto provider and they aren't licensed in New York. The pr…

> 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users

To clarify, do you mean a million monthly Brave users? Or just a million monthly users in general? 10 cents a day might actually be a lot if you were only getting one or two Brave users a month.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by Ajedi32 » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #136

skybrian wrote: post #123

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This is kind of silly. When you copy open source code, it doesn't give any magic access to the people who wrote it. If there is anything wrong with it, it has to appear on the source code somewhere. The question you should be asking is whether you trust Brave to vet the source code and remove anything that seems like a problem.

It isn't silly. How about I don't trust either one of them? Brave is (and you are) saying I should trust Brave because they're going to rip out Google's tracking and insert their own instead. No thank you. I'll stick with Firefox and whatever chicanery Mozilla is up to.

If you don't trust Brave, how would that be any better if they were using Firefox as the base for their browser over Chromium?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by donaltroddyn » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 6:59 PM UTC

prop84u wrote: post #142

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #141

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> Please do not require people to submit their goverment ID in order to withdraw their tokens Not verifying ID almost certainly causes a violation of American, British and European anti-money laundering code. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

So blockchain.com is breaking the law by not asking all their customers to upload their government ID and a selfie in order to withdraw the crypto they have received to a private wallet?

Blockchain.com's privacy policy states that, for anti-money laundering purposes, they'll collect:

> Passport and/or national driver’s license or government-issued identification card to verify your identity

(from https://www.blockchain.com/legal/privacy). That's consistent with every other exchange I've used.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by Ajedi32 » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 7:00 PM UTC

thefj wrote: post #41

songshuu wrote: post #30

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Eye roll on this take. If you have a better business model for content producers on the internet feel free to build it.

How about the business model the content producers choose for themselves, instead of one that is forced on them by a rent seeking company with good PR? If I have ads on my site, I have no interest in someone replacing them and taking a cut.

Would you rather someone remove them and not pay you at all? Because right now that seems to be the direction we're heading in.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by prop84u » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 7:02 PM UTC

donaltroddyn wrote: post #146

prop84u wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So blockchain.com is breaking the law by not asking all their customers to upload their government ID and a selfie in order to withdraw the crypto they have received to a private wallet?

Blockchain.com's privacy policy states that, for anti-money laundering purposes, they'll collect: > Passport and/or national driver’s license or government-issued identification card to verify your identity (from https://www.blockchain.com/legal/privacy ). That's consistent with every other exchange I've used.

Verification is only required to use their exchange, and not for withdrawing to a crypto wallet.

Brave would be able to offer BAT withdrawals for creators in a legally sound way.

https://support.blockchain.com/hc/en-us/articles/36001835987...

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by bsclifton » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 7:06 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #114

bsclifton wrote: post #28

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(Brave employee here) Curious: what are some of the shortfalls you see in Chromium? Before I joined Brave, the desktop browser was originally using Gecko (from Firefox). Ultimately, there were some problems and the decision was made to move to Chromium. On iOS, Brave is forked from Firefox though You can check out more detail on Reddit where folks asked why FF was not used (which has links to more detailed info): htt…

> On iOS, Brave is forked from Firefox You mean the platform that specifically disallows competing browser engines, making Firefox just a shell over a Safari-enabled web view and that can't even access Safari's content blockers? The only Firefox that's not running a Firefox engine under the hood? That Firefox? Given you're a developer for Brave, it's not possible for you to not know this, therefore your statement is…

You're right - all browsers on iOS (as far as I know, including Chrome) are wrappers around Safari. I didn't mean to imply Brave on iOS was based on Gecko, simply that it was originally forked from Firefox on iOS

We do have upstream contributions to Chromium. Nowhere near as many as Microsoft (we may only have a few), but we do try to contribute back when possible

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by _corym » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 7:07 PM UTC

buboard wrote: post #111

- do you plan to have a simple password instead of email link? - are there any brave banners i can use to promote brave? - will u provide a command line tool to verify websites? - why are referrals tied to channels instead of account? - will you expand to micropayments? - will brave always block ads everywhere or will you switch to blocking only on verified sites? Some form if instant payment is sorely needed. I hope…

(disclaimer engineer @ brave on creators team)

> do you plan to have a simple password instead of email link?

security gave the A-okay to give users an option to be able to stay signed in for 30 days. soon you will be able to check a box to stay signed in.

> are there any brave banners i can use to promote brave?

https://brave.com/assets-for-creators/

> will u provide a command line tool to verify websites?

not in the foreseeable future. we have had some discussions allowing keybase as a trusted connection and mark any properties they have verified as verified in brave as well. we might have more news on that front in the future.

> why are referrals tied to channels instead of account?

very good question, this is a symptom of tech debt. we're hoping to move it over to the account very soon

> will you expand to micropayments?

we're discussing more ways to spend your BAT and that's all I'll say about that :)

> will brave always block ads everywhere or will you switch to blocking only on verified sites?

brave will block 3rd party ads, in the future we will be introducing publisher ads which will allow websites to define sections of their site to for Brave to insert local privacy-preserving advertisements. the publishers get 70% of the revenue and users receive 30%.