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Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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This makes me so angry. Such an important case, so much on the line. And then this. And if you question the official narrative of "suicide", you will probably soon be labeled a conspiracy theorist. Oh an just by the way, this news broke first on 4chan (thread 222518349). That just on the matter of what the value of these sites are. edit: and already there are [dead] comments who question this

Why would you doubt suicide?

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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And the motive would be...he swore a blood oath to commit suicide once he was caught. It was either that or an ordinary political murder. The idea that this guy killed himself out of despair or whatever is an unbelievable laugh. He was psychologically a reptile.

I don't think we can know this for sure. He was definitely a sex predator, quite possibly a sociopath, but to call him a psychopath with a 'Reptilian' emotional structure seems like a step too far

The absolute pedantry on this site.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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post #155
post #93

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People "on suicide watch" die all the time. It's not super rare.

Name two.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/art...

> Suicides between 23.00 h and 07.00 h are rare, and these overwhelmingly occur under intermittent observations. Such observation is purely a defensive intervention to document that a patient is safe at a particular time, as there is no engagement.

I work with anonymised data. If you want actual names I'm going to have to trawl through coroner's reports.

Or you could have a look at this, which says about 18 patients per year in the UK: https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=37570

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#164

Wow. I don’t think I have seen a situation before where Occam’s razor doesn’t help writing off the conspiracy. It seems harder in this case to believe someone in a jail cell on suicide watch kills themselves than to believe that it was arranged (that is, at least “allowed”). It’s suspiciously sloppy.

The linked article says its unclear if he was actually on suicide watch: "There are reports that Epstein was placed on suicide watch following [his earlier suicide attempt], although this has not been confirmed by officials"

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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post #68
post #55

If you were in his position though why not just kill yourself off? At 66 there’s not much life left to live and what’s left is going to be pretty shitty anyway behind bars.

If I was his attorney, I would have advised he negotiate for a lighter sentence in exchange for cooperation around bringing others to justice. Standard practice. He could have gotten off with a light sentence and brought many others to justice. He’s literally done that before.

It sounds like trump was involved in at least one instance. I don’t think any lawyer would advise against flipping on that turd sandwich while Moscow mitch is running the senate.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#166
"Epstein will be 'suicided' in prison before he talks" went from "conspiracy theory" to fact in a matter of weeks. When a certain mindset or perspective is able to see that clearly around the bend, it's time to start considering that it has some real explanatory power.

Although this feels less like a conspiracy than an open demonstration of power. "Yes, we run everything and we're completely above the law to the point we don't even need to hide it anymore. What are you gonna do about it?"

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#167
post #32

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Ok but by looking out for yourself it’s typically and socially accepted and expected you’re not going to do grievous direct harm to other parties.

To the ultra-rich, "other parties" are other ultra-rich people. Everyone else is just an insect. I mean that in the most visceral way possible, the ultra-rich view us with contempt. edit: This is why Bernie Madoff went to prison and why basically no one went to jail over the 2008 GFC. Madoff stole from his own social class, which is a big no-no.

A couple years ago I listened to a college course from The Teaching Company called 'Explaining Social Deviance.' It analyzed deviant behavior in a multitude of different societies and contexts, going through history and modern day across the globe, examining what behavior societies found deviant, what they do about it, how they attempt to stop it, etc. When the social scientists researching the topic studied the upper class, they realized that crime could not be classified as 'deviant' in that social context. It was accepted, expected, and universal. Restraint from criminal activity was actually what was deviant.

Despite the fact that white collar crime does more economic damage and even kills more people every year than street crime, it is punished very rarely and then typically only lightly. That's a social issue, and the majority of society are complicit in it, fighting for tougher laws to control the middle and lower class while fighting against substantial penalties for crime committed by the upper class. The Protestant Work Ethic says that hard work, endurance of suffering, and virtuous character is the only way to wealth, so the public presumes that is how the wealthy got wealthy. It is almost never true, however.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#168
post #11

This sounds too convenient. If this was a suicide and not anything more sinister, this is gross negligence by prison authorities. It was their solemn duty and responsibility to see this person face trial. This will only inflame conspiracy theory minded people to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves. This is depressing. I’m yet hopeful evidence will be used to bring guilty parties t…

Call me naive, but I would simply conclude the jailing facilities are underfunded and unable to prevent someone from committing suicide. I just can't imagine someone being able to order such a murder. There would be too many people involved and risks of getting caught.

Whitey Bulger recently got transferred for no stated reason to a prison in West Virginia and within hours of his arrival was beaten to death by an inmate with mafia ties.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#169
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was his attorney, I would have advised he negotiate for a lighter sentence in exchange for cooperation around bringing others to justice. Standard practice. He could have gotten off with a light sentence and brought many others to justice. He’s literally done that before.

It sounds like trump was involved in at least one instance. I don’t think any lawyer would advise against flipping on that turd sandwich while Moscow mitch is running the senate.

There's zero evidence of this.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#170

It may be a good idea to watch out for cops and guards from that prison suddenly 'buying businesses', making other large and successful investments, receiving expensive gifts and/or gaining large amounts of wealth. My current theory is that Epstein had a bounty on his head and was killed by a cop or guard, it's often case that prison 'suicides' are in fact covers for police brutality gone too far, so I think this is…

> it's often case that prison 'suicides' are in fact covers for police brutality gone too far

How often?

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