It's an interesting question whether a person in his position has a right to commit suicide.
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Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
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#62This is totally not suspicious
Agreed. He has motive for suicide, too, though.
And the motive would be...he swore a blood oath to commit suicide once he was caught. It was either that or an ordinary political murder.
The idea that this guy killed himself out of despair or whatever is an unbelievable laugh. He was psychologically a reptile.
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#64Wow. I don’t think I have seen a situation before where Occam’s razor doesn’t help writing off the conspiracy. It seems harder in this case to believe someone in a jail cell on suicide watch kills themselves than to believe that it was arranged (that is, at least “allowed”). It’s suspiciously sloppy.
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#65What a waste. May none mourn this creature's passing, but his particular case represented too many valuable opportunities for him to be allowed to die before trial.
Whoever allowed enough of a lapse in his suicide watch that the concept of him being "found" at all even makes sense should be fired and sued for gross malfeasance.
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#66Can we just shut down the Department of Corrections? They are, at best, massively incompetent and negligent, and at worst, massively corrupt and negligent.
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#67It's an interesting question whether a person in his position has a right to commit suicide.
No, not really, that doesn't seem like an interesting question at all. Can you convince me otherwise? It seems obvious to me that while a right to commit suicide might exist typically, somebody imprisoned is obviously not entitled to it. We restrict many rights when we imprison people, and I see no reason why the 'right to commit suicide' should not be one of them. Allowing such a man to kill himself denies his victi…
All other concerns aside, this seems pretty unenforceable without going to some ridiculous extremes.
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#68If you were in his position though why not just kill yourself off? At 66 there’s not much life left to live and what’s left is going to be pretty shitty anyway behind bars.
If I was his attorney, I would have advised he negotiate for a lighter sentence in exchange for cooperation around bringing others to justice. Standard practice. He could have gotten off with a light sentence and brought many others to justice. He’s literally done that before.
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#69Oy. Certainly they knew this was a strong possibility, and a high profile case. I'm not prone to tin foil hattery, but this smells bad.
>Oy
I see what you did there.
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#70Why was he not on suicide watch considering he just had a failed suicide attempt? Either that's gross incompetence or something more sinister
"Suicide watch" doesn't have a fixed meaning. People on 15 minute observations can and do die by suicide. If someone is at risk and you think obs are going to help (they don't always help, they can make things worse) you need to have them under full time obs. But even then how close does that need to be? Two staff members within arms reach 24 hours of the day, including during eat, bathing, defecating?
I thinking he would have been under some kind of regular watch and in a room with no sharp corners, no cables, no belt, ...
It’s going to be really interesting to hear how it happened.