This is so weird for me. This keeps happening and I just don't get it. The chan* boards are still some of the few places on the internet for people to actually learn something. I went to university, but I feel I only got an education when I started reading and 4chan.org/lit was where I went to learn. This was in my mid-20s - this is where I learned about things like Middlemarch, The Book of Disquiet, If On A Winters…
8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now
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#162My friends and I used to visit the *chan sites when we were younger. Sometimes the discussions there were good e.g. if you browse the exercise forums. But then one of my closest friends killed himself silently. That was when I realized that these sites are no jokes. Some of the people there have fallen so deep into the pit of hate and depression. Nowadays I don't even link nor share the name of the sites to my younge…
I think this is mistaking the symptom for the cause. I'll admit this is largely my ideology, but large civic disengagement along with dire economic issues are the reasons for festering chan culture, not the other way around. It makes people ripe for accepting narratives that blame immigrants, women, muslims, etc.
o while there sure are more desperate people that have antisocial tendencies, just for economic issues, whether they consider those tendencies to be socially acceptable, and whether delving more on them is something that they will do, depends on finding social validation, and nowadays, we do that on the internet pretty easily. This kind of thing could still happen in the past: History tells us so, but the level of disengagement, and depth of the economic reasons required to trigger the radicalization of people, in one form or another, is far lower than before. It doesn't matter if it's people finding support and advice on how to kill themselves, bulimics seeing that their behavior is normal, or just a teenager that finds other people that likes music from the 50s, or goes very deep into pinball. Similar shapes, except some have deadly consequences.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never justified mass shootings or said it wasn't their fault. I was just stating that things are objectively bad for young men in America. Any kind of therapy or "support", proper raising, etc isnt addressing the issue. Have some introspection and look at your response, you attacked me right off the bat. What was so repulsive in my post? Are these men not allowed to recognize that their life sucks and its societies…
Well, since I still go to a lot of secret-handshake-style message boards that get a lot of crossposting from the *chan boards and have such guys, my perspective is a bit different. I will not claim you don't and are wrong, but here's my perspective from what I see daily, both personally and professionally (as I offer as much advice as I can to help these guys get out of the spiral they're in) >...And its societies fa…
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
This keeps getting repeated but it's not exactly true, 8chan was started because Fredrick Brennan had a shroom trip where he saw an Ouroboros and came up with the idea to make a 4chan where you could make your own board. People then ended up migrating over during GamerGate because Moot was shutting down discussion of it.
> [...] shutting down discussion of [gamergate]. My, what an interesting way of saying "banning users posting sexually violent threats"
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
To people dowvoting parent: please google gamergate Charlottenville
Not only is there no connection between pro-gamergate and threats, it's literally the other way round. And Charlottesville has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever
"How Charlottesville and Gamergate are Completely Related"
Second item:
"Matthew Robert Warner: From GamerGate to Identity Evropa"
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#166...how have things gotten objectively worse for young men?
Now social media blasts kids with "this is what's cool" on an hourly basis. Not got the latest Off-White? Uncool. Jordan Mids? Uncool. Still wearing [brand here]? Uncool. On top of that, everyone promoted is wealthy, beautiful and photoshopped. And on top of that it's all insanely addictive. So not only are you told over and over you're behind with the latest trends, and not only are you made to feel over and over that you're not pretty/wealthy/happy/cultured/whatever enough, but you're addicted to seeing it. And then everyone has a platform to bully you for it 24 hours a day. It's not even like you have that 12 hour respite where you're not at school.
I can't begin to imagine how as a fragile teenager this sort of thing would have affected me. Props to anyone young that keeps their head together.
Anyway, just my 2c.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
the fbi literally pays people to post in threads about mass shooters.
Citation needed?
they were documents submitted by the FBI to the court and admitted and thus are available to the public as documented evidence.
yes the FBI outed itself accidentally.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a white right wing mass shooter or an Islamic suicide bombing. People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as h…
The whole incel think was made up rather recently in a coordinated effort. Just one of many counter examples: A couple of days ago an African tried to kill three Germans, succeeding in killing one child. He was the father of three children. https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/getoeteter-junge-im...
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#169Does anyone have an idea of how big 8chan and 4chan is in terms of users? Just from the visible activity in there I can see they must be massive. I think Slate is incorrect in describing them as expression of traditional neo-nazism. To me they are quite their own thing. Born out of Anime culture and gaming-culture becoming a playground for role playing, trash talking, trolling, real-life pranks degenerating into what…
I've seen young people so much browsing 4chan in public, also discussing it. I'm talking about school or university environment.
When I was young and actually had time or will to take part if imageboards, I did it at home and secret. No one wanted to admit or mention it in public. Everything has changed now.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the last time that xenophobia was not stoped it cost over 80 million lives I assume you are referring to WWII - it is a strong assertion to claim that was a xenophobic war. The Nazis were xenophobic, but one suspects their driving motivations for actually doing something about it were economic. They were expanding because they famously thought they needed more space and resources, and the German economy prior to th…
What the 5-eyes nations are doing in the Middle East and parts of Asia is clearly based on xenophobia. The West are terrified that places like Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen .. Afghanistan .. Palestine .. will unite and create a dominant union in the region which shuts out Western influence entirely. And, indeed, these nations who might formerly have had a chance to create such a union, have xenophobic reasoning to do so.…