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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by codingslave »

solipsism wrote: post #89
codingslave wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's more going on in our current society than is being discussed. What it is exactly, and why its happening, is really hard to tell. We cant see the forest from the trees. But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them. People are responding, and are increasingly responding with huge negativity. I think this has nothing to do with how they're raised, an…

But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them Don't go there. Don't say mass shooters aren't at fault. The thing is, you don't need to. Both things can be true -- life is hard and unfair for certain people in certain ways, and that in the aggregate is bound to lead to more mass killings and other negative effects like suicide.. and the ones who decide to kill inno…

I never justified mass shootings or said it wasn't their fault. I was just stating that things are objectively bad for young men in America. Any kind of therapy or "support", proper raising, etc isnt addressing the issue. Have some introspection and look at your response, you attacked me right off the bat. What was so repulsive in my post? Are these men not allowed to recognize that their life sucks and its societies fault?

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by s9w »

darawk wrote: post #90
codingslave wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's more going on in our current society than is being discussed. What it is exactly, and why its happening, is really hard to tell. We cant see the forest from the trees. But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them. People are responding, and are increasingly responding with huge negativity. I think this has nothing to do with how they're raised, an…

I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a white right wing mass shooter or an Islamic suicide bombing. People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as h…

The whole incel think was made up rather recently in a coordinated effort. Just one of many counter examples: A couple of days ago an African tried to kill three Germans, succeeding in killing one child. He was the father of three children.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/getoeteter-junge-im...

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by tomp »

lixtra wrote: post #35
kstenerud wrote: post #24

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The reason why extremism is having more trouble taking root in Europe is because there's less inequality there. Where inequality is highest, terrorism is highest.

I doubt it’s that one dimensional. One could point out that making things equal results in (edit) even more terror (as most former communists countries prove). Of course that reasoning would ignore the Scandinavian “exception“.

By Scandinavian “exception” do you mean (1) that Scandinavan countries are more equal than most Western countriea but less oppressive than communist countries, or (2) the high rate (in terms of people killed) of white/extreme-right terrorism in Scandinavian countries (i.e. Brevik)?

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by darawk »

s9w wrote: post #92
darawk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a white right wing mass shooter or an Islamic suicide bombing. People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as h…

The whole incel think was made up rather recently in a coordinated effort. Just one of many counter examples: A couple of days ago an African tried to kill three Germans, succeeding in killing one child. He was the father of three children. https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/getoeteter-junge-im...

I'm not blaming the incel community. I'm actually essentially taking their side. Our society doesn't help men in that situation very well, and treats them exceptionally poorly.

And sure, counter-examples exist, though that particular one isn't really in the same space as this. Certainly people kill each other, and sometimes crazy people kill random strangers. But that was not a mass killing in the sense that this El Paso situation was, or that 9/11 was.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by LifeLiverTransp »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #61
roenxi wrote: post #56

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> the last time that xenophobia was not stoped it cost over 80 million lives I assume you are referring to WWII - it is a strong assertion to claim that was a xenophobic war. The Nazis were xenophobic, but one suspects their driving motivations for actually doing something about it were economic. They were expanding because they famously thought they needed more space and resources, and the German economy prior to th…

Lebensraum was long, long before the Nazis. It was the goal of Imperial Germany in WW1, and became policy again under the Nazis. Probably dates back to the 19th century. The economics were irrelevant to the policy. Economics had nothing to do with pursuing the idea of racial purity and a superior race either. Untermensch goes back to the twenties and intertwines with the US eugenics that the Nazis cribbed from heavil…

Lebensraum was the problem of not having synthetic fertilizer available- thus you have a ineffective, basically near medieval agriculture, whos output only scales- with area.

There where forgotten wars for natural occuring fertilizers at the times of the civil war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Pacific

Area only scales, if you conquer it and remove other people. Strange as it sounds, without the retrospect of all that tech that allows our current society (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process) those economic decisions where quite technocratic.

Inhuman and monstrous as the outcome was, the decision making was quite technocratic with a tinge of desperation.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by empath75 »

htns wrote: post #72
chvid wrote: post #15

Does anyone have an idea of how big 8chan and 4chan is in terms of users? Just from the visible activity in there I can see they must be massive. I think Slate is incorrect in describing them as expression of traditional neo-nazism. To me they are quite their own thing. Born out of Anime culture and gaming-culture becoming a playground for role playing, trash talking, trolling, real-life pranks degenerating into what…

I suspect it's simply that most jew-hating etc. jokes are unmotivated unless you hate jews. If you don't hate jews you find the jokes unfunny and tedious and stop browsing, and if you do you join in. The origins of 8/4chan barely matter.

There is a certain amount of humor that can be derived from being as offensive as possible, without caring about who you’re offending or why.

It doesn’t require hate, just not giving a shit about people’s feelings.

What happens in an environment like that is that people that _do_ hate start to feel welcome, and eventually drive out the people who were just in it for the lulz. Or radicalizing them as well.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by empath75 »

mikedilger wrote: post #71

The theory seems to be that white supremacists just naturally wish to commit violent hate crimes and that white supremacists use 8chan to indoctrinate more followers. What if it turns out that white supremacists primary wish is to have their arguments heard by society, but society has instead cast them out and refuses to let them post elsewhere so they can only post on 8chan, and that some of them, mentally unstable,…

So you basically have no idea what you’re talking about but want to talk about giving a wider platform to nazis?
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