Apple Unveils the iPad Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by Jack000 » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:34 PM UTC

pat2man wrote: post #116

Jack000 wrote: post #110

Personally all I really want is a macbook air with retina. I feel like apple has really been resting on its laurels the last few years. During the Jobsian era they'd come up with a new, category-defining product every few years. Now all we get is yearly updates of existing product lines. well, here's hoping for a "one more thing" moment.

Isn't that the MacBook? http://www.apple.com/macbook/

I don't think so, for one it's a major downgrade in terms of power. I thought the 12" macbook would be the entry level notebook, and there would be something in the macbook air form factor right above it.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by ChrisClark » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:35 PM UTC

drivers99 wrote: post #64

chinathrow wrote: post #44

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Yeah the force sensor is in the pencil, not in the screen.

Wacom force sensors are also in the pencil, but they get their power through induction or something from the tablet.

And everyone else uses batteries because of Wacom patents. At least that was the case 5 years ago.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by baq » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:36 PM UTC

roymurdock wrote: post #144

The iPad Pro is going to be available in November — 32GB for $799, 64GB for $949 and 128GB for $1,079. The $1,079 comes with Wi-Fi and cellular. The keyboard is going to cost $169 and the stylus is going to cost $99 — magic isn’t cheap. Can someone explain this absurd pricing strategy to me?

charge as much as they're willing to pay?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by soylentcola » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:36 PM UTC

ape4 wrote: post #109

I know this is petty, but every time I see an Apple demo and they are saying how many inches the screen is I think - wow that's a really uncool and old fashioned system of measures. If Apple can force standards - like Thunderbolt - how about using centimeters. Edit: they can even say they invented the metric system - ok with me ;)

This is one petty matter that I can get behind!

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by bpicolo » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:37 PM UTC

captn3m0 wrote: post #77

tvon wrote: post #37

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It is not clear what question you are asking.

This is an existing stylus product that works with the iPad called Pencil.

It's not exactly an imaginative name for the direct analogue.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:37 PM UTC

hullo wrote: post #22

gadrfgaesgysd wrote: post #12

Pencil. Jobs is spinning in his grave. Edit: 99 dollars !!

I like to joke too, but not really, if you're serious - Jobs always hated things until he could claim that Apple reinvented them. Even Gruber was making fun of it yesterday. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/09/08/gizmodo-netflix In any case what Jobs meant was that the companies that were putting out devices that required a stylus to operate correctly were doing it wrong, and that's been proven pretty extensivel…

> In any case what Jobs meant was that the companies that were putting out devices that required a stylus to operate correctly were doing it wrong,

Perhaps in the original iPhone announcement, but Jobs kept repeating anti-stylus lines long after that, when the only current major products with stylus that they could have been referencing were multitouch devices with styluses included but not required.

Just like anything other than the original iPhone (or iPad!) size, everyone in the market doing it was wrong -- until Apple decided they needed to do it, too.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by err4nt » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:37 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #111

bane wrote: post #70

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This is Apple definitely responding to high-end pressure from increasingly successful Surfaces in the same way the iPad mini was a response to pressure from the low-end by small Android tablets. This is basically Apple saying "let's make a Surface with a bigger screen and do it the Apple way". It's weird seeing Microsoft participate in it. Other than size, there's not much that Android tablets need to respond to, the…

Your list adds up to $1070. That's no low end laptop. $399-599 is low to mid end laptop nowadays. Most Chromebooks kick in at under $300 now also.

I picked up a Windows8 touchscreen laptop for web testing and it cost me the same as an old android phone: $230

That means a machine like my primary work computer is like 8 low-end laptops. This new iPad is the cost of 2–3 low-end laptops.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by braythwayt » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:39 PM UTC

twiceaday wrote: post #152

braythwayt wrote: post #92

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> It’s right out of the Steve Jobs handbook: something you don’t offer is a > terrible idea, until you offer it yourself, at which point you explain why your > solution is the first to get it right. --Jon Gruber, Daring Fireball

If you think a feature is a terrible idea then you shouldn't offer it. And if the technology or context changes sufficiently for you to change your mind then you should start offering it. This is just good product design. But I guess if you word it that way then you cant heavily imply that Jobs was a liar.

I didn't post that to suggest that Apple is right or wrong.

There are all sorts of reasons not to offer a particular feature or product at time X, and then subsequently offer what appears to be that exact thing at time Y.

Not to mention that the feature or product at time Y might be significantly different or better than the compromise you might have cobbled together at time X.

The comment simply refers to the black-and-white way in which Steve used to frame these things. IIRC, he said many of the same things about Intel chips, keyboard shortcuts, expandable RAM, and so forth.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by hudell » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:40 PM UTC

ssharp wrote: post #132

braythwayt wrote: post #92

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> It’s right out of the Steve Jobs handbook: something you don’t offer is a > terrible idea, until you offer it yourself, at which point you explain why your > solution is the first to get it right. --Jon Gruber, Daring Fireball

Would that might it wrong, though? There have been 3rd party pens and they were terrible and unnecessary. The multiple inputs, sensors, etc. will probably make this Apple stylus pretty useful. In this case, maybe Apple is the first to get it right.

The pen on Samsung's Galaxy Note was great

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by michaelbuddy » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 6:40 PM UTC

jefflinwood wrote: post #10

Exciting to see the Apple Pencil/Smart Keyboard - this appears to be very similar to the Surface Pro 3, leaving the ball in Microsoft's court for their Surface Pro 4. (Leaving aside all the differences in software)

shoot, Microsoft doesn't even need to come out with an sp4 against the iPad pro.