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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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> BYD sold 14,911 units in April 2026 > total vehicle sales in March 2026 was 269,483 units So BYD market share is 5.5% in Brazil.

But how many BYD units were sold relative to other units?

According to this, 14911 were BYD, VW were 80 behind.

https://www.globalchinaev.com/post/byd-edges-out-vw-to-becom...

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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> this is the exact kind of misinformation that prevents progress. lol > Brazil does not "fuel" cars on sugarcane any more than the US fuels its cars with corn. Brazil has been building cars which can run on 100% ethanol since the 1970s. These are not obscure facts; this is common knowledge the US teaches to schoolchildren. In the US gasoline is a 10% ethanol blend, sometimes 15%. E85 is available only in some midwes…

Ethanol is not a good fuel source for something like a personal vehicle. Corn and rice based ethanol are barely energy positive and can be slightly carbon positive. Sugarcane-based ethanol does have a strongly negative carbon footprint and positive energy but ICE engines are notably less efficient overall that large utility scale cogen plants, even after you factor in transmission and distribution losses. Making suga…

> Ethanol is not a good fuel source for something like a personal vehicle.

It is about as good as gasoline (or better), Brazil has been running a good chunk of its personal car fleet on sugarcane alcohol for decades. Yes, EVs are better than ICVs, but there is nothing uniquely bad about ethanol that makes it worse as a fuel source for a personal vehicle than any other combustive fuel.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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The Achilles heel of EV adoption, and why I think Tesla has had such a leg up, is that your classic dealership really doesn't like selling EVs. The salesman aren't knowledgeable about them, they don't have ownership experience with them, and EV's generate dramatically fewer lifetime "service" visits and parts sales. This was common with the f150 lightning, where salesman were pretty much "If you want it I can do the…

We don't have dealerships in the UK like the US has.

A true blessing. Ironically the US dealership scheme was hatched as a way to protect consumers...

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

In theory, a PHEV is the perfect middle ground for someone that wants to drive electric but has major range anxiety about road trips. Something with a 60 mile electric range will likely satisfy all of their day-to-day driving. The generator means they don't have to charge though, so they can still take road trips without worrying about electric range. In practice though, they're somewhat impractical. You still need a…

Not only somewhat impractical.

Most people don't end up charging their battery because it still has an ICE so why bother? So now they have the worst of both worlds. Complex ICE machinery that needs regular service and heavy battery that doesn't end up being used.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

...and apparently most owners never plug them in, so people just burn expensive fuel to charge their battery, while offering little or no savings over a hybrid or just the gas version.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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"Mild Hybrid". Slight boost. I don't know of any on the market, but I'm sure they're there.

There's a mild hybrid Qashqai. A friend of mine hired one and drove it into a bus.

This thread is some deadpan comedy gold.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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dpeends on the car. My Zoe does 4.8 miles per kwhr, my old car does 35 miles per gallon (or 7.6 miles per litre) petrol is currently £1.6 a litre. Which is 21p per mile, for my petrol car at 98p a kwhr its 20p per mile. but in practice the electric car is 3 pence a mile for me (average car charging price for me is 15p a kwhr)

> dpeends on the car Of course, thats why I've been clear all my assumptions are for 260wh/mi, which I think is a very fair middle ground figure to compare to a 35mpg car - one can pick far more fuel efficient gas cars for this comparison too, the possibilities are endless. I think your numbers still illustrate the same point though; if you can't charge at home, an EV is not necessarily cheaper to fuel, and the gap b…

oh yeah sorry it was meant to illustrate your point, that some of those fast chargers are massive piss takes.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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true it does kick in at 50k but only for stuff over 50k. so its not a cliff like 100k or if you're at the other end on universal credit.

What I mean is that if salary sacrifice schemes on EV were only used, and very good deals, for people over 100k then it would be extremely niche as we're talking about the top 4% of earners whereas about 16% are higher band taxpayers...

People on higher salaries are disproportionately likely to be the ones doing it though - much much more likely to work for companies that implement the schemes for a start.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Motability is not 'a Government scheme that buys people cars' People use the mobility part of their PIP payments to lease a car from Motability which is an independent company, they could use the mobility payment to pay for taxi instead.

The government heavily subsidises it. It's not a government scheme but it walks and talks like one.

its £77 a week. so its not going to buy you a top end car, you'll need to top up. if you want something "decent"

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Doesn’t increasing fuel price affect the electricity prices, which increases the charging cost?

Maybe, in the best case, your gas engine is maybe 45% fuel efficient, but realistically, you're probably getting closer to 20-25%. By contrast, a combined cycle power plant gets over 60%. But that's assuming we're just running power plants off of petrol and fuels. Coal is much cheaper than petroleum in some cases. There's also a lot of people who get their power from nuclear, hydro, solar, and wind. In many cases, yo…

> By contrast, a combined cycle power plant gets over 60%.

Over 25% of this is then lost in transmission and distribution[0] (down to 45%). Then 10-25% of that lost in charging the car[1] (down to 40%). Finally, the car itself loses about 10-15% of that[2] (down to 35%).

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/322834/transmission-dist...

[1] https://go-e.com/en/magazine/ev-charging-losses

[2] https://evreporter.com/understanding-the-complete-efficiency...

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