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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by bot403 »

Johnny555 wrote: post #104
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home) You can , but in practice most people don't. And I can understand why -- it's inconvenient to have to plug in after every short trip, and the short electric range of most PHEV's means you do have to plug in after every short trip. I plug in my EV around once a week, and it's more convenient than going to the gas station, but I'm…

I own an EV. If I had a phev I'd sure love to plug it in rather than pay more for gas and have to go to the station.

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Post by rsynnott »

bluGill wrote: post #58
Oras wrote: post #18

Doesn’t increasing fuel price affect the electricity prices, which increases the charging cost?

Maybe, in the best case, your gas engine is maybe 45% fuel efficient, but realistically, you're probably getting closer to 20-25%. By contrast, a combined cycle power plant gets over 60%. But that's assuming we're just running power plants off of petrol and fuels. Coal is much cheaper than petroleum in some cases. There's also a lot of people who get their power from nuclear, hydro, solar, and wind. In many cases, yo…

FWIW, I don't think there are any oil or coal power plants left in the UK. Certainly none in general operation.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by giobox »

KaiserPro wrote: post #136
giobox wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some stage I wonder if the UK will need to regulate the charger industry. The price gouging is wild in places. If we look at the energy content of petrol, a litre of gas contains about 9kwh of energy, or at average pump prices 1.58/9 = ~18 pence a kwh. For sure, EVs are far more efficient at converting a kwh of energy into forward motion, but if we assume 35 mpg (9.25 miles/litre) for the gas car, we need about 97…

dpeends on the car. My Zoe does 4.8 miles per kwhr, my old car does 35 miles per gallon (or 7.6 miles per litre) petrol is currently £1.6 a litre. Which is 21p per mile, for my petrol car at 98p a kwhr its 20p per mile. but in practice the electric car is 3 pence a mile for me (average car charging price for me is 15p a kwhr)

> dpeends on the car

Of course, thats why I've been clear all my assumptions are for 260wh/mi, which I think is a very fair middle ground figure to compare to a 35mpg car - one can pick far more fuel efficient gas cars for this comparison too, the possibilities are endless.

I think your numbers still illustrate the same point though; if you can't charge at home, an EV is not necessarily cheaper to fuel, and the gap between the public charger price and the cost to a private consumer with home charging is still far too big. 98p vs 15p is staggering.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by rsynnott »

Oras wrote: post #107
iso1631 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric price in the uk on an off peak tariff overnight is about 7p/kWh, or about 2p/mile, so charging your car overnight with the average electric mileage (10,000 miles a year - higher than the average mileage) costs £200, about £1300 a year less than petrol.

Thanks, I didn’t know about variable tariffs. But can this be residential or has to be on designated charging points?

Residential. Very common in the UK to have a separate night rate, even before smart meters.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by neogodless »

martythemaniak wrote: post #135
bloak wrote: post #2

I am so confused by the categorisation of cars: BEV, HEV, PHEV and so on. I think the industry insiders who write some of these articles don't realise how hard it is for some of their readers to keep track.

It's actually dead simple: there are battery electric EVs and internal combustion cars. That's it. ICE cars come with a variety of add-ons and schemes to improve efficiency: fuel injectors, ECUs, braking energy capture systems (aka hybrid), small batteries for short trips that no one plugs in (aka plug in hybrids), etc.

You forgot EVs that come with an add-on that generates electricity by burning fuel!

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by rsync »

Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments?

We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by bobthepanda »

rsync wrote: post #146

Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments? We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric .

Yes and no. The F-150 Lightning did a lot more poorly than expected and it’s the best selling vehicle in the US.

It is interesting with the current oil shock what will happen to US automakers that have all but abandoned fuel efficient cars.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

rsynnott wrote: post #27
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

In theory, a PHEV is the perfect middle ground for someone that wants to drive electric but has major range anxiety about road trips.

Something with a 60 mile electric range will likely satisfy all of their day-to-day driving. The generator means they don't have to charge though, so they can still take road trips without worrying about electric range.

In practice though, they're somewhat impractical. You still need an entire ICE drivetrain AND a moderately sized battery and electric motor, driving the price up.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by WarmWash »

rsync wrote: post #146

Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments? We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric .

The Achilles heel of EV adoption, and why I think Tesla has had such a leg up, is that your classic dealership really doesn't like selling EVs.

The salesman aren't knowledgeable about them, they don't have ownership experience with them, and EV's generate dramatically fewer lifetime "service" visits and parts sales.

This was common with the f150 lightning, where salesman were pretty much "If you want it I can do the paper work, but let me show you the regular F150's we have here if you like to drive places without headaches."

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Post by mattmanser »

WarmWash wrote: post #149
rsync wrote: post #146

Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments? We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric .

The Achilles heel of EV adoption, and why I think Tesla has had such a leg up, is that your classic dealership really doesn't like selling EVs. The salesman aren't knowledgeable about them, they don't have ownership experience with them, and EV's generate dramatically fewer lifetime "service" visits and parts sales. This was common with the f150 lightning, where salesman were pretty much "If you want it I can do the…

We don't have dealerships in the UK like the US has.
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