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Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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telegram is an amusement park so just stop using it for sketchy things and have fun! the E2E feature is... there... who cares about it, just load it up for one specific conversation and move on.

To be fair, it doesn’t even have feature parity with Signal for “one specific conversation,” which I might have been fine sacrificing to use Telegram. Among other things, there’s no multi-device E2EE support or message history backup for E2EE, last I checked.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

#152

People are consistently surprised that Telegram is not encrypted by default in any setting. You have to create a device-to-device-specific encrypted chat with your counter-party. It's not a reasonable security model, vastly outclassed by (the still quite flawed) Signal. Ultimately, we need encrypted-by-default messaging based on public/private key pairs (obscured from the uninterested user, of course).

I see telegram being used by local sport clubs as an alternative to messenger, primarily it seems for the reason that it doesn't require a facebook account. Most online gaming groups I know use discord, while programmer projects tend to use slack. A few gaming groups continue to use teamspeak.

I don't know however any groups that use signal as a replacement for any of the above, so do people have experience in migrating groups from those platform to signal?

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

Telegram and Signal are the best we have out of CENTRALIZED solutions. Both are founded by anarchists who like end-to-end encryption and user empowerment. One accuses the other of being less secure and easily backdoored by governments… but the actual problem is — they are both centralized. We don’t even need to resort to conspiracy theories — all Germany would have to do to ban Telegram is make Apple take it out of i…

>What is the decentralized alternative?

Matrix

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

#154

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It's just made by a Russian but the Russian gov is mad at him and he's living abroad.

Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.

Nobody has any problem with Russia the country or the Russian people. It's the current Russian government and its psychopathic leader that are freaking us out.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

#155

People are consistently surprised that Telegram is not encrypted by default in any setting. You have to create a device-to-device-specific encrypted chat with your counter-party. It's not a reasonable security model, vastly outclassed by (the still quite flawed) Signal. Ultimately, we need encrypted-by-default messaging based on public/private key pairs (obscured from the uninterested user, of course).

Nobody I know gives a shit that it's not E2E encrypted. It's a kick ass instant messenger, that's all that matters to most people. Vastly superior to Signal and others in almost every way.

There are like 1000 features in telegram that just don’t work properly for e2e chats as well. When I use e2e messengers they cut so many features for security. Matrix doesn’t show link previews when e2e is on for example.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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It's just made by a Russian but the Russian gov is mad at him and he's living abroad.

> Russian gov is mad at him citation needed

Telegram was blocked in Russia for around 2 years for refusing to cooperate with FSB. That block wasn't effective despite breaking half the internet at times and many people didn't even notice it, so eventually the government just gave up and unblocked it to save itself from being laughed at.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

#157

It's hilarious to watch Americans get triggered at Telegram's success. I'll grab my popcorn.

What would you consider to be legitimate criticism of Telegram rather than just being “triggered at Telegram’s success?” I’m curious where you draw this line, and where you found comments from users identifiably from the US who you believe fall into the latter camp.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Other advantages: -not being tied to a phone number -having a desktop app which doesn't suck (sync issues, connection issues, lacking features, is basically a simple proxy for your phone, etc) -allows me to use 3rd party apps -having chat history synced across my apps and devices and backed up. History is immensely important

Checkout Element, it covers all that as well. However, the Desktop App is Electron, so I don't know if you are OK with that

This is the main problem with Matrix for me. If they would just develop a good desktop client, I would be all over it.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.

Not really strange, given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections, allegedly, just saying.

As a Russian, this goes both ways. I really hate how the US tries its damnest to pretend they control the entire planet and meddles with internal politics of other countries, something they have no business even knowing about, all the time. Sovereignty? What sovereignty?

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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And an app that is small and fast (and a proper desktop app, not some electron).

I'm consistently surprised when I remind myself that Telegram is a Qt app. It's so out of the norm today, when so many things [I use] are bloated Electron apps.

It's also Qt Widgets based, which is even more interesting IMO. Just really, really good engineering that happened here.
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