Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout • Hacker News Board

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by micromacrofoot » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 4:25 AM UTC

Graffur wrote: post #123

micromacrofoot wrote: post #58

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ehhh, I watched it and having a trans friend doesn’t give him a free pass just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t I’ve already seen posts from anti-trans folks praising him, and “i’m team terf” memes. I don’t think the material was funny or provocative enough to warrant the validation it’s creating amongst bigots (even if they’re missing the point). He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively…

Did you watch it though.. its not about him having a trans friend? He states multiple times he's a feminist and relates to struggles people have in life. He sides with JK Rowling. That doesn't make him bad.. that makes him sane!

it isn’t a “sides” thing really… trans women are asking to be treated like women and some people feel the need to say “no”

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by micromacrofoot » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 4:29 AM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #124

micromacrofoot wrote: post #118

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the situation where the comedian everyone is mad about is still filthy rich and getting tons of press? working the same as it always has

Rich has nothing to do with it, this is about the freedom of speech, art and comedy.

none of which are at risk here… the comedian said whatever he wanted, was paid millions for his art which was viewed by millions… this is like the apex of success

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by gaganyaan » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 4:34 AM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #95

Joeboy wrote: post #93

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> My feminists can beat up your feminists. They in fact have in the past.

I promise more cis women have attacked trans women than the reverse. Sometimes they even go after women they assume are trans! A weird side-effect of the new wave of transphobia is that even people who consider themselves cis but present in a non-conforming way are being attacked in bathrooms. And not by trans women.

Do you have sources/links for that?

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by brnt » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 5:01 AM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #51

jmcgough wrote: post #41

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He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

> He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people

That's how you could interpret the TERF joke, but then you did ignore the rest of the show where he basically says the opposite.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by hintymad » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

Netflix made the right move. Companies should not tolerate intolerant people. Sowell put it well: Most people on the left are not opposed to freedom. They are just in favor of all sorts of things that are incompatible with freedom. Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you do not approve of." Maybe those dynamite activists can learn a lesson about freedom and responsibility.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:09 AM UTC

da39a3ee wrote: post #149

greyface- wrote: post #146

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> women meaning humans with two X chromosomes who can bear children This definition also excludes: * humans with one X chromosome (1 per 2000 to 5000 humans born [1]) * humans with three X chromosomes (1 per 1000 women born [2]) * infertile women (6% of married women under 45 in the US [3]) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisomy_X [3]: https://www.cdc.gov/reprodu…

Yes! Exactly that's the point. Biology's complicated, of course there are edge cases. That in no way alters the fact that the core concept is that a woman is an XX human. Re infertility, don't be silly. Yes I didn't word it perfectly, I meant "XX, i.e. the sex that bears children in mammals". Do you know what anisogamy means? This stuff wasn't complicated 20 years ago and funnily enough the science hasn't changed.

> I meant "XX, i.e. the sex that bears children in mammals".

There are fertile XY females among mammals (including humans.)

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by russelldjimmy » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:21 AM UTC

CarelessExpert wrote: post #88

undoware wrote: post #48

I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me. Yes, it's transphobic. That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture. We're here, right beside you , in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say. And then we have to do our damn jobs. Do you know…

I wrote up a whole reply but yours was flagged and then unflagged and my comment was lost... Anyway, just be aware you have allies. I've just given up participating on HN when these topics come up since it's gotten so utterly polarized and hyperbolic. I typically just flag the article and move on. I assume there's a pretty large silent audience of folks like myself who are simply exhausted by the whole thing and are…

Hah! Your comment mirrors exactly how I feel but could not put into words.

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Post by CodeGlitch » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:23 AM UTC

CarelessExpert wrote: post #129

CodeGlitch wrote: post #105

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> I typically just flag the article and move on. May I ask why you do this? Do you not think that others would want to discuss/debate/argue about the topic? > borderline conspiracy theories floating around here Do you have an example of one of these? (Genuinely interested in what you mean by this)

> May I ask why you do this? Do you not think that others would want to discuss/debate/argue about the topic? Because unoriginal political flamebait is off-topic for this site. From the site guidelines: > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Certainly this story is neither interesting nor new. It's just Sticks and Stones redux. Given…

Thanks for the response.

> Because unoriginal political flamebait is off-topic for this site. From the site guidelines:

Whilst I agree with you here, when the topic occurs within a tech company I think it is relevant. Basically it's very difficult to separate the tech from the politics in the current climate.

> A very common sentiment I see around here and elsewhere is imagining some secret, organized sjw cabal

When employees and students are being asked to complete "check your thinking" training, it's hard not to think there's a organised cabal pulling all the strings :)

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by neilsense » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:37 AM UTC

gorilla_fight wrote: post #109

jmcgough wrote: post #41

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He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

> compared being trans to wearing black face He also compared transwomen genitalia to vegetarian meat substitutes (Impossible Burger and Beyond Burger)

In relation to being able to give birth. One more person that hasn't watched it.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by 0xy » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:47 AM UTC

micromacrofoot wrote: post #151

Graffur wrote: post #123

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Did you watch it though.. its not about him having a trans friend? He states multiple times he's a feminist and relates to struggles people have in life. He sides with JK Rowling. That doesn't make him bad.. that makes him sane!

it isn’t a “sides” thing really… trans women are asking to be treated like women and some people feel the need to say “no”

They're asking for laws from compelled speech legislation (in Canada), to censorship legislation and also leveling death threats at their opposition when they make valid counterpoints (like J.K. Rowling, who received thousands of death threats from rabid trans activists).

It's not accurate to say they're asking to be treated like women. They're asking for expansive accommodations above what anyone else would receive.

Then there's the issue of trans activists lying about the safety of hormone blocker use in children, which is NOT reversible nor is it safe. There is an established link between the use of those products and irreversible bone density loss.

If you mention any of this, you get viciously attacked on a personal level.