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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Ekaros » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:21 PM UTC

nefitty wrote: post #31

mkr-hn wrote: post #6

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This is more like someone being fired because they leaked that one of their coworkers was farting on every burger for laughs.

The leak involved information on the calculated ROI of Chapelle's last special. This is more akin to a vegan employee leaking how much McDonalds pays for beef, revealing that it is a loss leader. That jeopardizes the relationship and puts the beef company in a difficult position when negotiating with other companies. The vegan feels justified because meat is murder and causes unnecessary suffering. It's interesting t…

It's like being startup employee and leaking some key metrics. I don't expect that to end up nicely, whatever the person's status is...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:21 PM UTC

CarelessExpert wrote: post #82

mkr-hn wrote: post #56

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I seem to be in net positive point territory being critical of Netflix in numerous comments. I used to get flag killed and rate limited for that kind of thing! A too small improvement, but an improvement nonetheless.

Fun fact: The parent's comment was briefly flag killed. No idea how it came back, but... just goes to show, things haven't changed as much as you might think.

I have but one vouch to give for harmless comments unfairly obliterated.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Joeboy » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:24 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #86

Joeboy wrote: post #78

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Well, I've been hanging around feminist women for some decades and my perception of events is that a significant proprtion of women who used to just be called feminists now get dragged for being TERFs.

My feminists can beat up your feminists. Seriously, what is this, third grade? Yes, some people latch on to movements without really understanding them. Not everyone reads theory. It's inevitable with movements that try to be inclusive, and preferable to the alternative. They can still call themselves feminists, and I can call them bad feminists.

> My feminists can beat up your feminists.

They in fact have in the past.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by CarelessExpert » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:26 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #32

e40 wrote: post #18

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More importantly than any of your associates, I have two important data points: I watched it and it was definitely not transphobic. Dave's trans female friend that committed suicide, her family supports Dave and says they believe it's not transphobic. Every single criticism I've seen has been general. None of them, except the ones which take stuff out of context, have specific gripes. That's how you know this is abou…

You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said.

You really gotta wonder how Dave would feel if a white person tried to explain to him how a joke he saw as racist wasn't actually racist, and besides, my black friend said it's fine...

There must be some analog to "mansplaining" that fits, here. "Transplaining"? Hmm...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:27 PM UTC

Joeboy wrote: post #93

mkr-hn wrote: post #86

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My feminists can beat up your feminists. Seriously, what is this, third grade? Yes, some people latch on to movements without really understanding them. Not everyone reads theory. It's inevitable with movements that try to be inclusive, and preferable to the alternative. They can still call themselves feminists, and I can call them bad feminists.

> My feminists can beat up your feminists. They in fact have in the past.

I promise more cis women have attacked trans women than the reverse. Sometimes they even go after women they assume are trans! A weird side-effect of the new wave of transphobia is that even people who consider themselves cis but present in a non-conforming way are being attacked in bathrooms. And not by trans women.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Joeboy » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:29 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #95

Joeboy wrote: post #93

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> My feminists can beat up your feminists. They in fact have in the past.

I promise more cis women have attacked trans women than the reverse. Sometimes they even go after women they assume are trans! A weird side-effect of the new wave of transphobia is that even people who consider themselves cis but present in a non-conforming way are being attacked in bathrooms. And not by trans women.

Well that sounds bad if true. I have never heard of this happening and the only violence I'm aware of in my circles has been in the other direction (there is an actual criminal conviction involved).

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by xdennis » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:29 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #2

They (maybe) leaked data that showed these shows don't even make much money, so it's not about money. Between this and the long string of stand-up shows with transphobic and homophobic bits, I get the strong impression someone with influence within Netflix wants to keep funding these kinds of acts. Is it true? Maybe not. But the way the company is behaving sure does give that impression. They must have some PR person…

25 million for 10 million views in first few days. Is that too little? I have nothing to compare it to but it seems like this controversy is only going to lead to more views.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:29 PM UTC

CarelessExpert wrote: post #94

mkr-hn wrote: post #32

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You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said.

You really gotta wonder how Dave would feel if a white person tried to explain to him how a joke he saw as racist wasn't actually racist, and besides, my black friend said it's fine... There must be some analog to "mansplaining" that fits, here. "Transplaining"? Hmm...

I've seen cissplaining used to good effect.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by why_is_it_good » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:29 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #45

why_is_it_good wrote: post #36

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> Black and native trans women suffer more Not by virtue of its blackness, indigenous or sex status, but only in relation to other people. If other people were to praise blackness, indigenousness and being non-man, it would not suffer, but thrive. Do not essentialize.

Yes, things would be different in a completely different culture other than the one we're discussing. That's why I weigh claims of oppression from Copts higher than I do from Baptists.

Now we discuss "claims of oppression by identities", yet before it was just "identities". Before identity was enough, when called out you switch to specific oppression. Almost as if you didn't care either way: before there were no individual experiences, now it's relevant. It really is a disease...

My mistake was to engage.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by ALittleLight » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:32 PM UTC

jayd16 wrote: post #16

ALittleLight wrote: post #9

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I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

I agree with the sentiment but you're conflating what someone believes with who they are, ie, something someone can change vs something they can't. I don't really think anything should be off limits and off color jokes are an important art form to feel out emotions but I also think there's a clear difference in your examples.

I don't think there's a difference. Most people are the religion they are born into. There's no choice about that. Similarly, you have no choice about the religion or political alignment of your family.