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How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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This is a more realistic version, IMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A

So...a lot of loud dudes. Do any women play this game?

Female are present in the leadership of several large organizations in Eve. You generally don't hear them screaming like children on mumble though.

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i feel like the only thing i hear about with respect to eve is 'betrayals' and 'theft'. is there anything else to the game? is there anything else to do besides steal?

Don't forget Ponzi schemes! Honestly there's a lot to do in EvE, since the economy is entirely player-run. You can be a miner, mining raw materials. You can be a trader, running arbitrage between different stations trying to turn a quick buck. You can be a pirate, preying on either of the previously mentioned roles. You can be a manufacturer, creating either intermediate goods or finished products for the open market. You can be a (different kind of) trader, buying and selling commodities, trying to time the market, etc. (This is where the space spreadsheets meme mostly comes from.) You can go out "ratting", finding and killing NPCs for goods and money. And, of course, you can go join (or start!) a corporation (guild) and own a portion of nullsec (full PvP) space, fighting with, allying with, and betraying other player corps for power and influence over nullsec.

The reason you only hear about betrayals and theft are because that's what is the most interesting to write/read about with regards to EvE. While it's really cool, conceptually, that you can make a living in this game by participating in this massive player run economy, you're not going to find a lot of articles about people spending hours of their life mining internet asteroids and occasionally getting ganked by pirates.

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100% ad-hoc societies and only organic wars only here!

Alliances are groups of Corporations (Guilds in many other MMOs) and all are player led groups. Some alliances are based off other online communities, eg Goonswarm (Something Awful) and Dreddit (Reddit). You train up a few skills and then you can create a corporation. You can then join an alliance if you want. It also costs ingame money to keep the alliance going. I was an alliance director in a small alliance (10 co…

Worth noting, Test Alliance Please Ignore as mentioned in this article is Reddit. (Also Dreddit, not sure if they're one and the same)

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> "care bear" mode that didn't allow player-vs-player (PVP) that would not be a game of EVE. It would be World of Warcraft, but in space. And not a particularly good one either. The uniqueness of EVE _is_ the free-form, non-consensual PVP. Just like in real life, you cannot say no to being mugged, or ganged upon. When making friends, you cannot really know to trust them, and if you do find trust worthy friends, you f…

>The uniqueness of EVE _is_ the free-form, non-consensual PVP. It's just another bit in a database and only one aspect of the game. Sure, there are 1,000 experiences in Eve you'll never get anywhere else - from spinning wormholes trying to find a dread enemy, to station spinning out of utter boredom because your station is bubbled to hell and back. However it's simply not possible to see all the content on-offer in t…

You can go anywhere in Eve with the right ship and an understanding of the mechanics with different regions of space. In fact, explorers do just this as a form of PVE in hostile space. Creating Trammel for Eve doesn't add anything.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Based on the number of incredibly clever scams that exist, extreme paranoia is correct. If something looks too good to be true, it is VERY likely to be a scam. (e.g.: there are scams built around selling an item for a price that is lower than a buy order somewhere, seemingly promising free money, but when you attempt to sell the expensive item, it'll get rejected due to some quirks in how some systems interact)

> get rejected due to some quirks in how some systems interac i dont think that works anymore now? Not sure...but it's human nature to scam! There's been so many pyramid schemes it's not funny!

I would be surprised if that were the case. IIRC it worked by using a skill that let a player put up a buy order without taking the entire cost of the order out of their wallet. So the player could then ditch all their remaining money, which wouldn't allow the buy order to be fulfilled.

What changed that disallows it? Did they remove the skill? Can a wallet go negative? Even if they forced the buyer to take the item and give the amount of money reserved to the seller, the scammer could theoretically just make sure that the buy order is close enough to the sell order that the seller still receives less than they paid. (though it makes it seem like a less juicy payout, so people would fall for it less)

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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It's nice to see treachery is alive and well in EVE. I started playing EVE just prior to the Trinity expansion release in 2008, and played up until 2013. During that time I was fortunate to watch the game evolve in so many fantastic ways (walking in stations aside). I owe an unbelievable amount of fond memories to the game, most of which involved treachery (albiet on a somewhat smaller scale). That said, many of the…

> lifetime insurance For what it's worth, this only covers the ship - none of the weapons or upgrades you've put in. It's been a while, but for most of the ships I flew when I played EVE (2007-2012 or so), the fittings cost at least as much as the hulls.

That's insurance in EVE, not Star Citizen IIRC.

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I don't play EVE because there are already enough demands on my time, but damned if this commercial (entirely done with voice comms) hasn't come close to pushing me over the edge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0

Yes Eve is amazing to read about, but looking at it from the outside it seems like if you're not a huge ego, you're signing up to be a cog in a machine.

Yes Eve is amazing to read about, but looking at it from the outside it seems like if you're not a huge ego, you're signing up to be a cog in a machine.

That's one of the interesting things about EVE from a story perspective.

For most games, you're the "Chosen One": the Dragonborn, the Master Chief, The One. You're supposed to be the hero of a grand and epic story. To succeed in spite of the odds.

And this clashes greatly when you put that same storyline in an MMO. And somehow you have to reconcile being the Chosen One with all the other Chosen Ones running around and doing the same quests for the same rewards.

With EVE, there is none of that. You can be a plain ol' miner, or some other cog in a vast machine. Or you can be a pirate, and strike out on your own. Or whatever. You don't start out special, but maybe you can become special over time. And be part of a story that is talked about for years to come.

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The big trouble with eve is the time/reward factor. Ultimately you can spend a whole night trying to find fights in Eve and get 2 or 3 fights that last 20 seconds. Or you can play 10 matches of overwatch or CS:Go or DOTA that last 30 minutes in the same time. It still doesn't have a decent competitor though, elite dangerous is rubbish, still waiting on Star Citizen.

Eve is still the only game that ever gave me "the shakes", and still delivers them after 10 years...

People talk about PUBG delivering in this regard recently, and it's seeing huge success. I can see how they feel this way, but as an old Eve player it doesn't come close :(

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The text added is, of course, a joke, but the image is real: https://i.redditmedia.com/E44ciq7vb9r1t9sAzo3giCym74vSloIyK7... This is Judge posing for a picture with Aryth's alliance leader, The Mittani, at Fanfest. Every major alliance leader has been to the pubcrawl that CCP puts together, for each fanfest. 99% of attendees pay their own way.

Fanfest is one thing, regular meetings in a small group that not any player can get on is another...

Any player can get on CSM. It's not easy, of course.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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I've read a lot about betrayals in Eve, how much ISK are stolen and lost here or there, and tales of revenge. Does anybody actually have fun in this game? Like, simple this-is-a-fun-game-and-I-am-having-fun-at-the-moment fun?

Lots do, yes.

You make your own fun. Personally I had great times studying the market and finding / executing (entirely on my own) new manufacturing chains, attempting to gain an ever increasing margin and profit-to-effort ratio!

But to each their own :)

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