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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by theandrewbailey »

pfraze wrote: post #69
dgxyz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise I am free to modify it or pick a distribution so that isn't the case too?

How long till that’s illegal? This situation is being treated like a bad business decision. It’s not. It’s a new set of laws. It’s bigger than just Apple.

That depends on if you live in a jurisdiction that lives or dies by free speech, and if it considers code speech[0]. Forcing you to implement age verification is effectively forcing you to speak things you don't want to say, which isn't free speech.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junger_v._Daley

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by its_ethan »

classified wrote: post #78
joering2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. Apple had a bug in their age verification protocol. Again, valid point, but Apple needs to follow UK law. No they don't. They need to grow balls. They pay hefty tax rates in UK. If they would announce they are leaving UK market in 90 days, I bet you would find enough politicians to change the course of this terrible law.

> They pay hefty tax rates in UK. Are you sure?

Apple paid 304m in taxes on 1200m in profits in the UK. That's ~25% tax rate on profits. It's entirely subjective to say if that's a "pretty hefty" rate or not, but it seems to be pretty standard for G20 countries.

I suspect the UK wouldn't love losing that 304m, but Apple would also probably not enjoy losing the 1200m of profits either.

It's almost like international companies having to deal with legislation in every country they operate in is a more complicated topic than could ever be hashed out in the comment sections of a tech news site...

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2025/07/apples-uk-tax-b...

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by ta9000 »

dgxyz wrote: post #7

We just got fucked by this today. My 22 year old daughter doesn't have a driving license or a credit card but does have a passport and it didn't work. She's now got a kids phone. I haven't tried the 20 year old yet who is in the same situation... They have 5 days to unfuck this or I'm literally rolling out Pixels + Graphene to the family. Exit plan for the Mac is a Linux desktop.

This seems like a rational approach as opposed to say, calling Apple support.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by alwillis »

pixelpoet wrote: post #41
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

> Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now Are you sure you're not apologising for Apple?

> Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now

The point is this person has been dealing with Gatekeeper for a long time but all of sudden it’s a deal breaker?

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by AlexandrB »

wrqvrwvq wrote: post #79
baal80spam wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I am pretty sure it's the loud vocal minority that hates it. Vast majority is either indifferent or actually likes it (but liking something doesn't sell).

I've seen far more non-design-obsessed people (normals) complaining about it, but in the end i think the better question is why? What possible purpose does this serve other than key-jangling? It is a distraction for most people and a waste of screen space and probably gpu cycles, why are we shading and filtering on every frame on every window and modal? Just render the pane and put the fries in the bag.

The waste of screen space is the big one for me. It feels like every company is racing to dumb down their products and fill their UI with whitespace instead of using that space for controls or content. My bank just redesigned their website and now even checking the balance of a few accounts + credit cards requires scrolling on a 1080p display. Ridiculous.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by monegator »

nitpick: just changed my monitor to a UWQHD one. The text on this blog occupies 1/6 of the screen, 5/6 of white. If i only use half the screen for the broswer, it would be 1/3 and 2/2. Still too much white space for me.

Anyway: Not sure why fairphone. While i like the concept it's still an android phone, eos is not much better than lineage. If i had to change today i would go again for a Pixel 8A (or a series 10) and graphene. But if the OP can wait and see, next year we should get replaceable batteries everywhere because EU, and maybe wait and see whatever motorola is cooking for graphene. Or check out the pinephone and go full linux.. i guess, when i'll have some spare cash to throw away..

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by Ragnarork »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

What's odd and strange about this? Author clearly specifies this at the start:

> To summarise for yous there are three main issues for me and the last one happened today and is what pushed me through the threshold.

The compounding led to this, not that individual issues existed (and have been a problem) for a while.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by dghf »

daedrdev wrote: post #9

Any system of age verification will fail to satisfy the writer, because it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures. Credit cards don't work ever time, but the other options of using AI or sending your data to a third company who will resell it are also not great. The only other complaint seems to be liquid glass? It really feels strange because Apple feels on the upswing with their new of…

> it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures

It would appear the UK doesn't:

> Ofcom, the UK’s communications regulator, praised Apple for the decision, especially since it’s not required to implement age verification for the iOS or its App Store under the region’s Online Safety Act.

-- https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/apple-introduces-age-verif...

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by giancarlostoro »

embedding-shape wrote: post #120
raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

Right, Apple is a US company, with typical US culture, and they always try to "follow the letter of the law but not the spirit" when it comes to privacy and also when it comes to the age checks. In this particular case, they seem to have implemented the check in the worst possible way too, even the account age is above the age limit, what's hard to figure out here? Is it surprising that people blame the company and t…

> even the account age is above the age limit, what's hard to figure out here?

I have a gmail thats old enough to drink anywhere in the world, and never used it for youtube, accidentally opened youtube, they asked me for my age. At some point, I think its okay to just use account age instead of even asking.

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