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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

refurb wrote: post #96
epistasis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the complexities of the Whipple procedure, I'm not sure I would go through with it either, honestly. I'm not a doctor, but I've dealt with a looot of oncologists, and with people at the end of life from cancer. Most cancer docs would choose to go through with far less cancer treatments than their patients typically choose.

Well of course doctors would - they’re not going through it so don’t have all the emotional baggage the patients do.

The person you are replying to is saying that doctors often choose to forgo treatment options that their patients undergo.

See https://hms.harvard.edu/news/how-doctors-die - "Physicians are less likely than the general population to undergo intense end-of-life treatments"

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by yreg »

suyash wrote: post #93
pkdpic wrote: post #9

>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds. I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine. I did not discover the mathematics I use. I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate. I am mo…

Here is Steve Job's video that came much decades before and shared the same thoughts: https://stevejobsarchive.com/international-design-conference...

Huh, 27 years apart and it's almost verbatim. Is it taken from some existing text or was it some personal mantra (for lack of a better word) he created?

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by majou »

samstave wrote: post #105
imranhou wrote: post #101

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I don't worship Jobs, but I believe it is easy to criticize than to create.

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Apple provides security updates far longer than Android does.

They continue to patch the first 64-bit phone and the first phone with a dedicated secure enclave: the iPhone 5s, released 9 years ago.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by 6stringmerc »

system2 wrote: post #40
markdown wrote: post #24

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Sick people don't make the best decisions especially while they are dying.

Most people listen to medical experts instead of hippie crystal therapy like Steve chose, and when that didn’t work, he used his wealth and privilege to establish residency in a state where he could jump in line for a liver transplant, got it, was too far gone and died anyway. Wasted a perfectly good liver on that sociopath.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by 6stringmerc »

phonon wrote: post #83
epistasis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the complexities of the Whipple procedure, I'm not sure I would go through with it either, honestly. I'm not a doctor, but I've dealt with a looot of oncologists, and with people at the end of life from cancer. Most cancer docs would choose to go through with far less cancer treatments than their patients typically choose.

His tumor was caught early and easily operable (it was a rare type of pancreatic cancer that was). No doctor would have suggested he ignore the surgical option for diet etc, changes. By the time he changed his mind/it got worse, his options were much more limited.

Even then he had options only the 1% can do - move to a state to cut in line. Still didn’t work. I think he was just trying to hang in long enough to see his $200M yacht get finished and in the water. Oops.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by dspillett »

sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

> Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey.

Not the lightest of shades though, to many people?

I'm sure there is good in Alex Jones. It is very well buried if so, but it probably does exist. I still feel justified in never wanting to interact with him and wishing the rest of the world didn't have to either.

While we shouldn't be completely dogmatic and only consider someone's bad points¹, and I wouldn't say that Jobs was at all actively evil², the fact that someone isn't the blackest-of-black pantomime evil, or the gaudiest-of-gaudy moustache-twirling pantomime evil, doesn't mean we can't discuss their bad points. It might actually help other arseholes who don't realise that they are being a problem, if they see the discussion and think “hang on, I do that, maybe I'm upsetting people too, perhaps I should try a different tack”.

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[1] or conversely only their good points: Churchill was undoubtably what we needed as a prime minister during and in the run up to war, a good family man by most accounts, supported some good social reforms, ete., but he also had some questionable views on race (less so by the standards of the time than now, but still), supported the use of chemical weapons, and so forth,

[2] just a bit of an arsehole by many accounts, and presided over a company that at the time³ benefited from what we now call modern slavery

[3] and to this day doesn't have a clean record on that count

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by avg_dev »

sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

I read a quote recently that I keep coming back to.

“Of human beings, none are good but all are sacred.”

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by allisdust »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #131
samstave wrote: post #95

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Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

I respect your rage, but your use of f*ck too many times is actually a detriment to your arguments. I am not offended by it, I am simply suggesting that a different tone would have added to your credibility.

Every forum/thread comment is so saturated by the F word that I'm not even sure what it means anymore. I would bet that every 10th word on the Internet is the F word.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

rowanG077 wrote: post #139
silisili wrote: post #78

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I'm honestly not sure why this was never more complained about. He ignored medical advice, that's fine I guess, his right. But he effectively stole a liver from someone and essentially wasted it. Must be nice to have FU money.

Isn't that one of the big positives of being rich? You can use your funds to get anything that civilization has to offer. If you are salty about this then it's not even a far reach to be salty about rich people in general. They have better food, better entertainment, less pollution around them etc, etc. Which all leads to them having a more longer and fulfilling life in general.

It's one of the positives of being rich in a plutocracy.

Whether plutocracy is a good, never mind ideal, way to organise a planetary culture is very much up for debate.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by pembrook »

6stringmerc wrote: post #144
system2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sick people don't make the best decisions especially while they are dying.

Most people listen to medical experts instead of hippie crystal therapy like Steve chose, and when that didn’t work, he used his wealth and privilege to establish residency in a state where he could jump in line for a liver transplant, got it, was too far gone and died anyway. Wasted a perfectly good liver on that sociopath.

Fortunately for us, nobody will ever care enough to scrutinize and pick apart the stupid/selfish things we did in our lives.

Don’t fall for the great man fallacy, nor its opposite, the villain fallacy. It’s just oversimplified media narratives.

Most people are complicated.

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