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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

samstave wrote: post #95
pkdpic wrote: post #9

>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds. I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine. I did not discover the mathematics I use. I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate. I am mo…

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

I respect your rage, but your use of f*ck too many times is actually a detriment to your arguments. I am not offended by it, I am simply suggesting that a different tone would have added to your credibility.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by YesWeWill »

tastemykungfu wrote: post #69
dbxkcichhdfufu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler, mao and stalin can all go jump as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure they weren't pure evil either but sometimes people deserve the label.

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Links? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I hope you're not going to link Russian fascist propaganda, though.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by frederikvs »

sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

I doubt this is specific to the internet. Seems to me that people have always had a tendency to separate everyone else into "good people" and "bad people".

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by rblion »

This is very similar to an Einstein quote:

"How strange is the lot of us mortals! Each of us is here for a brief sojourn; for what purpose he knows not, though he sometimes thinks he senses it. But without deeper reflection one knows from daily life that one exists for other people -- first of all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness is wholly dependent, and then for the many, unknown to us, to whose destinies we are bound by the ties of sympathy. A hundred times every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving...

I have never looked upon ease and happiness as ends in themselves -- this critical basis I call the ideal of a pigsty. The ideals that have lighted my way, and time after time have given me new courage to face life cheerfully, have been Kindness, Beauty, and Truth. Without the sense of kinship with men of like mind, without the occupation with the objective world, the eternally unattainable in the field of art and scientific endeavors, life would have seemed empty to me. The trite objects of human efforts -- possessions, outward success, luxury -- have always seemed to me contemptible.

My passionate sense of social justice and social responsibility has always contrasted oddly with my pronounced lack of need for direct contact with other human beings and human communities. I am truly a 'lone traveler' and have never belonged to my country, my home, my friends, or even my immediate family, with my whole heart; in the face of all these ties, I have never lost a sense of distance and a need for solitude."

-- Albert Einstein

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by pizza234 »

sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

> Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

This statement is a truism; it's valid for every person, and it doesn't contain any information.

Based on the information publicly available, my assessment is that he had a narcissistic personality disorder. People with such illness are certainly not in the ballpark of mass murders, but they're definitely very damaging to other people, and they are generally labelled as "bad people". What saves Steve Jobs in the eyes of the public is that he had, without any doubt, exceptional talents.

Since he's dead (and he hasn't been diagnosed by a specialist), there will never be certainty, however.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by llanowarelves »

empraptor wrote: post #119
raydiatian wrote: post #91

"Sent from my iPad" fucking poetic lol

i've always wondered why "Sent from my xxxxx" lines are tacked on. are those intended to blame poorly composed messages and typos on bad typing experience provided by mobile devices?

Definitely an ad-type thing

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by Cederfjard »

refurb wrote: post #96
epistasis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the complexities of the Whipple procedure, I'm not sure I would go through with it either, honestly. I'm not a doctor, but I've dealt with a looot of oncologists, and with people at the end of life from cancer. Most cancer docs would choose to go through with far less cancer treatments than their patients typically choose.

Well of course doctors would - they’re not going through it so don’t have all the emotional baggage the patients do.

I think you misunderstand - they're saying that the doctors would elect to receive less treatments than the average patient if they themselves were sick - presumably because they are well aware of the low likelihood of success and the brutality of going through it.

I'm not a physician, either, but this rings true with experiences from my own life, were people I knew who were doctors decided early to stop treatment and let the disease run its course (and subsequently passed away).

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by rowanG077 »

silisili wrote: post #78
seibelj wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also extremely strange is he received a liver transplant much quicker than average, in a state far from where he lived, which later received a $40mil anonymous donation https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2015/11/12/hospital-where-jobs-rece...

I'm honestly not sure why this was never more complained about. He ignored medical advice, that's fine I guess, his right. But he effectively stole a liver from someone and essentially wasted it. Must be nice to have FU money.

Isn't that one of the big positives of being rich? You can use your funds to get anything that civilization has to offer. If you are salty about this then it's not even a far reach to be salty about rich people in general. They have better food, better entertainment, less pollution around them etc, etc. Which all leads to them having a more longer and fulfilling life in general.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by spoonjim »

sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

And honestly does it even really matter. So he neglected his kids. Big fuckin' deal, I'm sure they'll survive.
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