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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#101

Post by imranhou »

samstave wrote: post #95
pkdpic wrote: post #9

>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds. I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine. I did not discover the mathematics I use. I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate. I am mo…

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

I don't worship Jobs, but I believe it is easy to criticize than to create.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#102

Post by markdown »

bloppe wrote: post #79
markdown wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm sure I have a lower opinion of him than most but come on this is just slander

Slander? It's factual that he used his money to get to the front of the line for an organ donation. It's possible someone in Tennessee died because a foreigner took the liver he deserved.

> Jobs couldn't pay for an organ. Nor could he pay to cut the queue. But what someone with Jobs' resources could do, according to liver transplant surgeons and ethicists, is to use money and mobility to improve the odds either by going to an area of the country where there are more organ donors, or by signing up at multiple transplant centers.

> "It's not for anybody but the rich. It's called multiple-listing, a practice some would say is unethical," said Arthur Caplan, co-chair of the United Nations Task Force on organ trafficking and chair of the department of medical ethics at University of Pennsylvania.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Economy/story?id=7902416&page=...

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#103

Post by samstave »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #100
samstave wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

Was any of this rant typed on an Apple product? Just because a little drunk and thus quite feisty.

NO

It was not.

---

EDIT,

It as typed on an HP OMEN -- and through my 30+ years in tech I have had a lot of bad things to say about HP in the middlings -- (HP/COMPAQ had the best support mid '90s to very early 2000's (then the Carlie debacle bullshit happened) -- but the HP support right now... is stellar (at least in my experience currently).

No tech company is beyond reproach.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#104

Post by isatty »

markdown wrote: post #71
sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

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If you had the money and desperately needed a liver transplant, you’d do the same. Or try to.

Disclaimer: I don’t know if the statement you made is factual or otherwise, but if the system let him do it, then I don’t see the point in expecting him to be altruistic.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#105

Post by samstave »

imranhou wrote: post #101
samstave wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

I don't worship Jobs, but I believe it is easy to criticize than to create.

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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#106

Post by iso1631 »

ekianjo wrote: post #90
iso1631 wrote: post #82

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The American healthcare system, and capitalism in general, tells us that richer people have more right to healthcare than poorer people. Even when supply is fixed (say land), we distribute it based on the ability and willingness of someone to pay, not on need. Why should organ transplants be any different?

> Why should organ transplants be any different? the organ collection does not follow any capitalist principle. You can't sell your own organs even if you wanted to. So thats a pretty bad point to make.

That's on the supply side. Many items with a limited/fixed supply (land for example) are operated under capitalist principles.

So why do we not allow people to sell their own organs? Or eggs and sperm? Or rent out our womb, or sell our hair?

Do we not have sovereignty over our own bodies?

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#107

Post by AnonCoward42 »

samstave wrote: post #95
pkdpic wrote: post #9

>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds. I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine. I did not discover the mathematics I use. I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate. I am mo…

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

Everything you list are also done by any other big corp. I avoid Apple because of their walled garden at all costs, however I don't feel Apple is much worse than any other corp of similar size for the things you list.

And for Steve Jobs I always thought he is a selfish and arrogant asshole, however this might be true or not, by now I am more worried by the rich supposed philanthropists. We are maybe better off with selfish, arrogant asshole billionaires, than billionaires that try to change humanity "for the better".

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#108

Post by LewisVerstappen »

dbxkcichhdfufu wrote: post #62
sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

Hitler, mao and stalin can all go jump as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure they weren't pure evil either but sometimes people deserve the label.

In what universe is Steve Jobs in the same category as dictators who killed tens of millions of people?

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#109

Post by fuckHNtho »

samstave wrote: post #103
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was any of this rant typed on an Apple product? Just because a little drunk and thus quite feisty.

NO It was not. --- EDIT, It as typed on an HP OMEN -- and through my 30+ years in tech I have had a lot of bad things to say about HP in the middlings -- (HP/COMPAQ had the best support mid '90s to very early 2000's (then the Carlie debacle bullshit happened) -- but the HP support right now... is stellar (at least in my experience currently). No tech company is beyond reproach.

Sure that's your hardware. What's your browser?

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#110

Post by PraetorianGourd »

samstave wrote: post #103
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was any of this rant typed on an Apple product? Just because a little drunk and thus quite feisty.

NO It was not. --- EDIT, It as typed on an HP OMEN -- and through my 30+ years in tech I have had a lot of bad things to say about HP in the middlings -- (HP/COMPAQ had the best support mid '90s to very early 2000's (then the Carlie debacle bullshit happened) -- but the HP support right now... is stellar (at least in my experience currently). No tech company is beyond reproach.

I love this. I am not so strong as to put my money where my morals are, so I seriously respect your position and dedication to it.
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