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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Also make sure you have iCloud enabled so you can access the video later if your device is damaged or lost.

I think for non-Apple users Periscope allows to automatically stream and record an event right? No need to "finish" recording as it directly streams and saves it to their servers. Is that correct?

On Android you can configure it to automatically upload everything to Google Photos

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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This is an argument activists have made for years in favor of gun control. The prevalence of guns in US society has made us objectively far less safe.

The number of defensive instances of gun use are at least equal to the number of criminal use (some studies say it dwarfs it but that's been questioned). If defensive is even 1 greater than offensive, wouldn't guns have made us net safer? Edit: After thinking about it a bit more I can see how the average outcome is deadlier with guns regardless of who "wins"

Yeah, the situation isn't what most people would expect. Most gun deaths in the US are suicides and accidents. It's relatively rare that there's an actual gunfight.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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I respectfully disagree. I think the looters/insurgents are causing the chaos.

Insurgents? Really? I think bigfoot is causing the chaos.

Not sure about Bigfoot, but yes, this is a fairly well funded and organized insurgency. Most definitely.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Ok but it's a pretty hard job and mistakes are unavoidable just like with any job. I'm pretty fine here, when I make a code mistake I can fix it, and I'm paid so much more than a cop. I suppose that would be a good reason for me to bitch about cops in general right ? At least, that's what it seems when I read comments on hn the last days.

Look at it this way, what would you think of a development team that shipped bugs to production and had...no code reviews...no unit tests...no bug tracking system? And every time they shipped a bug someone died? You might be inclined to improve the process, right? I won't belabor the analogy. Campaign Zero has a great summary of the policy changes that can help: https://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions

Why do so many people need to be so extreme? Zero is impossible.

If you want to make the development argument, then you should know that bugs are unavoidable. Even from the best developers in the world. No amount of code reviews, tests, or processes will change that.

Can you reduce? Of course. By a really large amount? Probably. But "zero" is an impossible goal. The statement "We can live in a world where the police don't kill people" just makes you look dumb and naive.

8cantwait.org at least has a realistic number backed by studies.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Somehow professionals under the constant threat of malpractice lawsuits and criminal/civil liability are able to operate and flourish in their industries just fine.

So, we should have the cops take out liability insurance and pay damages? That actually sounds like a pretty good idea, honestly.

"So, we should have the cops take out liability insurance and pay damages?"

No, they should get proper training and be held to professional standards.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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First of all. Thank God for the police. Thankfully there are men and women that are willing to serve in this role because the Thin Blue Line is a very real thing. There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. Having said that, absolutely have a dashcam/recording device in your car. I do and it has saved me from getting a very big fine in addition to providing ho…

Thin Blue Line is a myth. A symptom of people who have fallen victim to mean world syndrome.

Ha! If you're anywhere near Chicago, I might be able to get you on a ride along when things quiet down. It'll change you...

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

The ACLU confirms what you say: https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1268588997829410816 "When you are lawfully present in any public space, you have the right to photograph anything in plain view, including federal buildings and the police." "Police may not confiscate or demand to view your photographs or video without a warrant, nor may they delete data under any circumstances. Visual records are fully protected, but so…

One of the main points of the article is that the law is not being respected by those tasked with upholding the law:

> Everyone in the United States — citizen or resident — has a constitutional right to record police who are performing their public duties. The police don’t have the right to stop you as long as you’re not disrupting their business, and they aren’t allowed to confiscate your phone or camera just because you were recording them. This is the consistent opinion of federal courts and the Supreme Court, which affirmed in 2014 (in a 9-0 decision) that cops need a warrant if they want to seize and search your cellphone.

> Of course, the nationwide protests are about the police ignoring civil rights. Indeed, the videos we’ve seen in the past week show widespread police lawlessness, with officers arbitrarily violating the rights of peaceful demonstrators in lawful assemblies.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

There is one "almost good cop" who tried to check the man when he was lying on the ground, but quickly one of his colleague pulled him by the vest to tell him they don't do this kind of thing. Unfortunately he didn't have to courage to stand up for his first feeling.

Do we know that's what he was going to do? It looked to me like the officer could have been going to check on the elderly man who he just knocked down, or he could have been about to follow that up with more violence. Neither would surprise me.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Why? What do you hope to achieve other than to possibly inflame the situation? I can't possibly believe that you think the cop is going to think "gee, that's a good point citizen, please carry on".

It forces the cop to either admit that he's a bad guy (or at least crossing the line), or else to not cross the line. It makes it so he can't try to pretend to me that he's squeaky clean while actually doing dirty stuff.

I don't think you're modeling the cop very well. They're not going to be in a state to reason or debate with you, and the statement "for your protection" if not paid close attention to sounds vaguely like a threat.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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How much of our police force deals with legitimate violent crime? The vast majority of police do not need guns. edit: > hey deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. Can you back this up? Statistics I've seen do not support your claim, and put violent crimes under 5% of police investigations.

How many interactions do police have in a week? If the number is 20 or more then 5% becomes a common occurrence.

OK? That doesn't matter. If the vast majority of crimes are not violent, it's not really important what the absolute numbers are. It could be 1,000 or 10, the point is that the majority of responders don't need deadly weapons.
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