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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by Natsu »

heavyset_go wrote: post #51
dominotw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is parallel with pilots and airplane crashes. There is a tendency for airlines to put the blame on a pilot in case of a crash, this disincentives pilots from speaking the truth. Unfortunately the 'anti cop' sentiment would have the same effect. Imgaine how hard it is for us to admit a mistake at work which brings the website down but here someone's life is at stake. What happens if a cop makes a mistake and cau…

Somehow professionals under the constant threat of malpractice lawsuits and criminal/civil liability are able to operate and flourish in their industries just fine.

So, we should have the cops take out liability insurance and pay damages?

That actually sounds like a pretty good idea, honestly.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by dharmab »

wayneftw wrote: post #7

I haven't had a run-in with the police since I was in my twenties, but I think just for fun - I'm going to get a bodycam, a dashcam and a bunch of security cameras for my property. You never know when they might come in handy. Anyone have any general advice for building them yourself with a Pi or Arduino?

Don't build a dashcam yourself. Building batteries that don't fail in the heat of a car parked in the sun is a hard problem, as is the automatic saving when a crash occurs. Buy a dashcam with a proven reliable battery or capacitor.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by oaue0823 »

notriddle wrote: post #18
MintelIE wrote: post #11

With Antifa being a declared terrorist organization I would also recommend recording them too.

You should. They get harassed enough that, if you start recording an antifa protest, you'll probably catch a badly-behaved cop on camera.

Antifa is just a gateway to / cover for blackblocs, where the real tactical operations happens, with targets, escape plans, and so on, "ACAB" is their slogan.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by buryat »

camgunz wrote: post #70
pjc50 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They resigned in protest at being held accountable: https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203?s...

Rarely does a problem solve itself so quickly and effectively.

they're still in police and getting paid, they just left the team

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by camgunz »

Yetanfou wrote: post #55
tbabb wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of departments in other countries do not carry guns and do their jobs just fine.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. The US is saturated with firearms so it would be foolish for the police not to carry. In the UK the situation used to be different and to a certain extent still is, the police used to be unarmed (are they still?). It should be noted however that the number of knife crimes there is high - people tend to use the weapons at hand. This has led to a call for a ban on pointy kitchen kniv…

This is an argument activists have made for years in favor of gun control. The prevalence of guns in US society has made us objectively far less safe.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by dominotw »

heavyset_go wrote: post #51
dominotw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is parallel with pilots and airplane crashes. There is a tendency for airlines to put the blame on a pilot in case of a crash, this disincentives pilots from speaking the truth. Unfortunately the 'anti cop' sentiment would have the same effect. Imgaine how hard it is for us to admit a mistake at work which brings the website down but here someone's life is at stake. What happens if a cop makes a mistake and cau…

Somehow professionals under the constant threat of malpractice lawsuits and criminal/civil liability are able to operate and flourish in their industries just fine.

Doctors routinely lie in malpractice cases. It is really common.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by rectang »

schoen wrote: post #50
dominotw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is parallel with pilots and airplane crashes. There is a tendency for airlines to put the blame on a pilot in case of a crash, this disincentives pilots from speaking the truth. Unfortunately the 'anti cop' sentiment would have the same effect. Imgaine how hard it is for us to admit a mistake at work which brings the website down but here someone's life is at stake. What happens if a cop makes a mistake and cau…

Maybe there should be a law enforcement equivalent of https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/ which is something that the aviation regulators created in response to some of the dynamics you mentioned. (I don't know how ASRS authenticates that people making reports are really pilots or aircrew.)

That seems like a reasonable, constructive suggestion. There certainly are structural factors and incentives which make it difficult for a police officer to actually be a "good cop" when it matters.

But self-regulation hasn't worked and isn't likely to work, precisely because those structural factors are so formidable. So instead, we turn to outside auditing in the form of cell phone video — as advocated by this article.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by deleted_account »

footnipple wrote: post #5

First of all. Thank God for the police. Thankfully there are men and women that are willing to serve in this role because the Thin Blue Line is a very real thing. There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. Having said that, absolutely have a dashcam/recording device in your car. I do and it has saved me from getting a very big fine in addition to providing ho…

Thin Blue Line is a myth. A symptom of people who have fallen victim to mean world syndrome.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by andybak »

footnipple wrote: post #37
jakelazaroff wrote: post #16

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> There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. The problem is that the police are causing most of the chaos. Looting has largely stopped in NYC, and all of the protests to which I've been have been entirely peaceful. But police still start beating and arresting people indiscriminately as soon as curfew starts — in some cases, even boxing protestors in so they c…

I respectfully disagree. I think the looters/insurgents are causing the chaos.

I'm not sure what internet you've been on these last few days but it's a different one to the one I've been on.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by WilTimSon »

korethr wrote: post #36
throwawaylalala wrote: post #25

I disagree with record; you should STREAM. Get it off the device so it can't be conveniently destroyed and deleted.

Any suggestions for such a setup?

ACLU has an app specifically for that, which uploads videos to them automatically.
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